More terrorism uncovered!

[ThatRobGuy]

Look up the Army of God. Oops, I bet they're not real Christians either.

Army of God could certainly be called an extremist group, and they definitely self-identify as Christians so I won't try to fight you on the "no true scotsman" fallacy thing...

Army of God was responsible for 8 notable attacks between 1993 and 1998. And during that time period they were responsible for roughly ~20 deaths, and ~225 injuries due to their actions.

Certainly a group that should be on the FBI watchlist.

However...

Army of God has yet to take the severity and frequency of attacks to a point where people are trying to flee to Canada to get away from them.

So, if we want to discuss the idea that Army of God is an extremist organization, or discuss the idea that Christian terrorism does indeed exist, then Army of God is a great example to use. However, if people are trying to suggest that Christian extremism is presenting the same sort of widespread problems on a global scale that Islamic extremism is responsible for, then you should probably search for another example besides Army of God...in fact, you'd probably be hard-pressed to find a modern day Christian extremist group that would be an equal to ISIS.

 

[JGG]

Sure we can call this terrorism. Since it appears that there are many that won't let it go until everyone everyone adopts the PC position that "other groups can have terrorists too", I feel it's still fair to acknowledge the scale and magnitude differences between the variations of "terrorism" that exist so that we aren't deluding ourselves into thinking all forms of extremism are the same.

So...

I propose that we here at CF adopt a "severity scale" to rate these events as they occur. Ratings from 1=meaning mild to 10=meaning utterly brutal.

So, something like marching around with signs and yelling at people would be a 1
Something like creating such mass havoc that people feel the need to flee their homeland and move to other countries would be a 10.

Where on the 1-10 severity scale would this incident rank?

Uh, negative 10. This is Jesus' Righteousness in all it's glory. And when early Christian settlers killed and forced out natives from this land, negative 100. Totally Righteous Jesus there too.

 

[Hetta]

Army of God could certainly be called an extremist group, and they definitely self-identify as Christians so I won't try to fight you on the "no true scotsman" fallacy thing...

Army of God was responsible for 8 notable attacks between 1993 and 1998. And during that time period they were responsible for roughly ~20 deaths, and ~225 injuries due to their actions.

Certainly a group that should be on the FBI watchlist.

However...

Army of God has yet to take the severity and frequency of attacks to a point where people are trying to flee to Canada to get away from them.

So, if we want to discuss the idea that Army of God is an extremist organization, or discuss the idea that Christian terrorism does indeed exist, then Army of God is a great example to use. However, if people are trying to suggest that Christian extremism is presenting the same sort of widespread problems on a global scale that Islamic extremism is responsible for, then you should probably search for another example besides Army of God...in fact, you'd probably be hard-pressed to find a modern day Christian extremist group that would be an equal to ISIS.

I'm not trying to find a Christian group that is equal to ISIS, although I believe that these groups are "in the mail" so to speak. However, the poster stated that there was no such thing as a Christian terrorist group, and AOG certainly fits that definition. I can't get into that kind of casual frame of mind where circa 20 deaths is negligible somehow.

 

[JGG]

Army of God could certainly be called an extremist group, and they definitely self-identify as Christians so I won't try to fight you on the "no true scotsman" fallacy thing...

Army of God was responsible for 8 notable attacks between 1993 and 1998. And during that time period they were responsible for roughly ~20 deaths, and ~225 injuries due to their actions.

Certainly a group that should be on the FBI watchlist.

However...

Army of God has yet to take the severity and frequency of attacks to a point where people are trying to flee to Canada to get away from them.

So, if we want to discuss the idea that Army of God is an extremist organization, or discuss the idea that Christian terrorism does indeed exist, then Army of God is a great example to use. However, if people are trying to suggest that Christian extremism is presenting the same sort of widespread problems on a global scale that Islamic extremism is responsible for, then you should probably search for another example besides Army of God...in fact, you'd probably be hard-pressed to find a modern day Christian extremist group that would be an equal to ISIS.

I totally agree. Army of God is righteous action, and should be praised, because it is nowhere near as bad as what Muslims do. That's the terrorism standard. So, this wasn't even a real terrorist attack. It was whistling a happy tune. A joke.

Why are we even bothering to talk about this Christian and his actions, and worse yet, calling him a "terrorist" when the real terrorists are Planned Parenthood and Muslims.

Unless Christians are blowing people up, or shooting innocent people, for a social or political cause, they can't be Real Terrorists.

Actually scratch that last bit. Until Christians start beheading people and shouting Praise Jesus before they kill people they aren't Real Terrorists.

 

[AionPhanes]

The majority of terror attacks in the US are not commited by Islamists. Anti-government, antiabortion, and white supremacist are all proportionally worthy of concern in that arena. Maybe in other countries the statistics are different but if you are interested in addressing the problem in this country Islamist radicals are merely one threat among others.

Not to mention the whole issue of terrorism has been massively sensationalized and blown out of proportion. I'm much more concerned about street crime for example (around 300 mass shootings this year and the vast majority were not terrorism just regular crime ) but you don't see politicians making a big deal about that much more prevalent problem. It's all about using terrorism for votes, to keep cash flowing into the defense budget, to erode civil liberties (2nd Amendment, privacy,..) etc..

 

[Bradly Capel]

Sorry I thought I was quick!
Well, not everyone who calls himself a Christian represents Christianity, right? The same is true for just about any ideology or belief system.

That's right, all anyone can ever have that someone is a Christian is their word, American Christians don't even need to do good works, all they need do is say they believe and bam they are going to heaven.
How many Christians are Christians? a lot of people say they are but how many Christians are there really?
The only answer is, we just don't know.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I totally agree. Army of God is righteous action, and should be praised, because it is nowhere near as bad as what Muslims do. That's the terrorism standard. So, this wasn't even a real terrorist attack. It was whistling a happy tune. A joke.

Why are we even bothering to talk about this Christian and his actions, and worse yet, calling him a "terrorist" when the real terrorists are Planned Parenthood and Muslims.

Unless Christians are blowing people up, or shooting innocent people, for a social or political cause, they can't be Real Terrorists.

Actually scratch that last bit. Until Christians start beheading people and shouting Praise Jesus before they kill people they aren't Real Terrorists.

I think your sarcasm is a bit misdirected...I openly acknowledged them as an extremist/terrorist group.

However, I was simply making the point that it's fair to point out that not all terrorism is equal.

 

[JGG]

I think your sarcasm is a bit misdirected...I openly acknowledged them as an extremist/terrorist group.

Uh...They're not. What they do is nowhere near as bad as Muslims. You said it yourself.

However, I was simply making the point that it's fair to point out that not all terrorism is equal.

Of course it's not equal. It would be like comparing Britney Spears to Ella Fitzgerald. What Britney does is fine and all, but compared to Ella, it's not even worth calling Britney a singer. Even if she has a half-dozen albums, world tours, hit singles, and various awards. It's not as though I'm a singer.

In the same way, when Christians do bad things, we should just ignore it and pretend it's not a problem, because it's not. It's totally righteous and Jesus loves it. Why are we being so "PC" about it? It's not as though it will ever happen again, and it really doesn't involve other Christians anyway. It's not as though we've ever demanded Muslims apologize for their terrorists.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I'm not trying to find a Christian group that is equal to ISIS, although I believe that these groups are "in the mail" so to speak. However, the poster stated that there was no such thing as a Christian terrorist group, and AOG certainly fits that definition. I can't get into that kind of casual frame of mind where circa 20 deaths is negligible somehow.

I would agree on that part...1 death is 1 too many. Hopefully any sensible person would realize that.

However, there's a bit of an unfair attitude coming from many on the left in which they act as if they don't know why people are more concerned with Islamic terrorism vs. Christian terrorism. ...and then try to equate that with some sort of double-standard or bigotry toward Muslims.

I have zero problems with calling something what it is. If you're willing to kill someone for religious purposes, then you're an extremist. However, I think we have to be honest in acknowledging levels, degrees, concentrations, and magnitudes of issues in order to accurately assess risk & threat levels.

 

[JGG]

I have zero problems with calling something what it is. If you're willing to kill someone for religious purposes, then you're an extremist. However, I think we have to be honest in acknowledging levels, degrees, concentrations, and magnitudes of issues in order to accurately assess risk & threat levels.

Now I'm concerned. What are the threat levels. I mean, Muslims are still way worse than Christians, right?

 

[[serious]]

motive is radical Christianity.

Everyone is afraid to call it Radical Christianity!

 

[ThatRobGuy]

@JGG I know you're making an attempt at satire for comedic purposes, but I'll answer your question anyway...

I referring to global statistics pertaining to frequency and severity for things like violent attacks, human rights violations, and in some regards, attitudes towards the role of government, separation of church & state, and free speech.

 

[JGG]

@JGG I know you're making an attempt at satire for comedic purposes, but I'll answer your question anyway...

I referring to global statistics pertaining to frequency and severity for things like violent attacks, human rights violations, and in some regards, attitudes towards the role of government, separation of church & state, and free speech.

What about the Muslim Extremists?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Everyone is afraid to call it Radical Christianity!

The PC Police won't allow us to call it what it is.

 

[nightflight]

It's called "Investigation." Police work basically. Something that wasn't allowed to happen in the southern Calif case before the term Terrorists was called.

Yet it was called correctly. Ouch.

 

[Black Dog]

Exactly! This is why Christians killing others for social or political reasons is okay. Because Muslims are worse!

Relatively speaking, because Muslims are so horrible, this Christian (who killed 30 children) is practically righteous!

Woah, sounds like you are channeling Sarah Palin.

 

[Black Dog]

would you care to elaborate?

Just because a person or group call themselves "Christian", does not mean they are. Darkness can disguise itself as light. Know the tree by its fruit.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Yet it was called correctly. Ouch.

What is sad is that terrorist deliberately attacked us and we immediately thought it was just another one of own crazies shooting up a Christmas party at work. Forget Islamic terrorism.. What does that say about the state our country's in all on it's own?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

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[Hank77]

Just because a person or group call themselves "Islam" or "Muslims" does not meant they are.

No it doesn't. So if these people who are committing terrorist acts are not Muslims why don't the real Muslims stand up and say that the terrorists are not Muslims? That they are not following their founder Muhammad teachings? Why don't they do that, it would go a long way to help their cause?