More terrorism uncovered!

[lupusFati]

No it doesn't. So if these people who are committing terrorist acts are not Muslims why don't the real Muslims stand up and say that the terrorists are not Muslims? That they are not following their founder Muhammad teachings? Why don't they do that, it would go a long way to help their cause?

They've actually been doing it QUITE A LOT.

And I got those from a quick Google search. What's your excuse? You ask a question but don't seek the answer on your own? The answer is as plain as day. You just never looked.

 

[Black Dog]

No it doesn't. So if these people who are committing terrorist acts are not Muslims why don't the real Muslims stand up and say that the terrorists are not Muslims? That they are not following their founder Muhammad teachings? Why don't they do that, it would go a long way to help their cause?

They do. All the time. But people hear what they want to hear.

EDIT: lupusFati beat me to it, and included links. See above post.

 

[[serious]]

The PC Police won't allow us to call it what it is.

If only the president would use that particular phrase! Obama is so soft on christian terrorists! (I bet it's because he's secretly christian!)

 

[michellemariebru]

 

[Hetta]

Here comes a newbie with a YouTube video to show us how we're all wrong. Le sigh.

 

[FanthatSpark]

Therefore it stands to reason that to combat so-called radicalization the US and its partners need to ethically evaluate it motives and initiatives and stand to be judged in a world court where warranted. The US and its allies need to allow countries and regions to develop without interference, manipulation or control. The mechanisms of radicalization would be muted and impotent if the US and its partners addressed human rights violations carried out around the world by itself, its partners and its allies. There would be no fertile ground to recruit from if people felt the processes were fair and just rather than exploited by a few nations and corporations at the expense of everyone else. This is a part of what needs to happen to thwart radicalization. The US and its allies must right the wrongs they have done and attempt to restore regions and people to govern their own selves no matter how those structures might look in the end.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/09/when-were-they-radicalized-thats-not-the-right-question/

 

[DaisyDay]

I gotta ask tulc. Been running into this third person script for a while and its just eating me up in curiosity . Can ya let me in on it?

It's not an uncommon format - the main body of the comment is standard first person, but the signature includes a comment on what he's doing or thinking in the third person.

 

[ecco]

Until Christians start beheading people and shouting Praise Jesus before they kill people they aren't Real Terrorists.

They been there - They done that. Maybe this is just an interlude.

 

[ecco]

The majority of terror attacks in the US are not commited by Islamists. Anti-government, antiabortion, and white supremacist are all proportionally worthy of concern in that arena. Maybe in other countries the statistics are different but if you are interested in addressing the problem in this country Islamist radicals are merely one threat among others.

Not to mention the whole issue of terrorism has been massively sensationalized and blown out of proportion. I'm much more concerned about street crime for example (around 300 mass shootings this year and the vast majority were not terrorism just regular crime ) but you don't see politicians making a big deal about that much more prevalent problem. It's all about using terrorism for votes, to keep cash flowing into the defense budget, to erode civil liberties (2nd Amendment, privacy,..) etc..

Take care. I posted similar sentiments in another thread on terrorism and I was accused of being a terrorist sympathizer and hater of America.

Not that that bothered me in the least.

 

[stamperben]

10 of the Worst Terror Attacks by Extreme Christians and Far-Right White Men

Most of the terrorist activity in the U.S. in recent years has come not from Muslims, but from radical Christianists, white supremacists and far-right militia groups.​

 

[Ajax 777]

Just because a person or group call themselves "Christian", does not mean they are. Darkness can disguise itself as light. Know the tree by its fruit.

I have already pointed this out to another poster here who postured that the creation of the KKK was similarly attributed to Christians, but he corrected me, telling me my comments were ludicrous. Yup. He sure told me.

Who else is glad we have these wise worldlings here to bring us clueless Krishtyunz up ta speed? Show of hands!

*(Looks around)*

Nobody?

 

[Hank77]

They've actually been doing it QUITE A LOT.
And I got those from a quick Google search. What's your excuse? You ask a question but don't seek the answer on your own? The answer is as plain as day. You just never looked.

You are just obnoxious, immature, and rude. I owe you no discussion until you can speak and behave as an adult.

They do. All the time. But people hear what they want to hear.
EDIT: lupusFati beat me to it, and included links. See above post.

I never said that they are not speaking out against terrorist groups or against violence, they have been doing that for years. They keep claiming that Islam is a peaceful religion.
I believe there are many people who identify themselves as Muslims that are peaceful people and do not want to kill anyone but that does not make Islam itself a religion that is non-violent, as much as they want it to be.

Which ones have said that these Sunnis are not MUSLIMS. Which ones have said that these Sunnis are NOT following the example of Muhammad, their prophet and teacher?
They cannot do that and be honest. Muhammad was a violent man. He taught violence and the spread of Islam by violence. He is the founder and the teacher/writer of Islam. Muhammad defines Islam.

There isn't any Islam without Muhammad, just like there isn't any Christianity without Christ.

 

[Hank77]

10 of the Worst Terror Attacks by Extreme Christians and Far-Right White Men

Most of the terrorist activity in the U.S. in recent years has come not from Muslims, but from radical Christianists, white supremacists and far-right militia groups.​

And which behaviors of Christ and the Apostles are these groups following?
What example of these behaviors do we see done by Christ or the Apostles?

 

[stamperben]

And which behaviors of Christ and the Apostles are these groups following?
What example of these behaviors do we see done by Christ or the Apostles?

Similar to the ones such as we see here in the forums, those who call themselves christians yet would not feed the poor through any sort of government program because they just can not see the failings of the church to fulfill the directive of Jesus to do so. But all I can do is go by what they identify as. I suppose they'll find out the truth of what they claim at their judgment day.

 

[JGG]

And which behaviors of Christ and the Apostles are these groups following?
What example of these behaviors do we see done by Christ or the Apostles?

You cannot follow Jesus unless you hate your brother.

 

[AionPhanes]

You are just obnoxious, immature, and rude. I owe you no discussion until you can speak and behave as an adult.

I never said that they are not speaking out against terrorist groups or against violence, they have been doing that for years. They keep claiming that Islam is a peaceful religion.
I believe there are many people who identify themselves as Muslims that are peaceful people and do not want to kill anyone but that does not make Islam itself a religion that is non-violent, as much as they want it to be.

Which ones have said that these Sunnis are not MUSLIMS. Which ones have said that these Sunnis are NOT following the example of Muhammad, their prophet and teacher?
They cannot do that and be honest. Muhammad was a violent man. He taught violence and the spread of Islam by violence. He is the founder and the teacher/writer of Islam. Muhammad defines Islam.

There isn't any Islam without Muhammad, just like there isn't any Christianity without Christ.

Muslims who speak out against ISIS do tend to say that terrorists are not properly practicing Islam and that their views are a perversion of orthodox Islam. That you believe True Islam TM demands acts of terrorism is irrelevant. Millions of Muslims don't accept your understanding of Islam. They generally don't let non-Muslims who disapprove of their religion define "True Islam" for them anymore then you would allow a Muslim opponent of Christianity to define True Christianity for you.

 

[Hank77]

Similar to the ones such as we see here in the forums, those who call themselves christians yet would not feed the poor through any sort of government program because they just can not see the failings of the church to fulfill the directive of Jesus to do so. But all I can do is go by what they identify as. I suppose they'll find out the truth of what they claim at their judgment day.

Where are the teachings that say the government should be taking care of the poor? They are not there, so I have to admit that their pov is valid.
However, I do get what you are saying. The church has been so divided into separate groups that the funds that are given by Christians are not pooled together and therefore are not as effective as they could be. Also in some churches many, many dollars are spend on luxuries while people go without life sustaining needs.
There are also the teachings that one needs to work for a living if they are able. The government is ineffective in seeing that this happens. I am all for supporting people who need help but those people need to be encouraged to do something in return that is beneficial to the society that helps them, not just for society but for their own sense of self-worth and the example that they set for their children, which again benefits society as a whole.

 

[Hank77]

You cannot follow Jesus unless you hate your brother.

We could discuss that scripture if you would like to post it.

 

[Armoured]

Sure it is terrorism.

But

Was he yelling God is good? Or praise Jesus? Is there an international growing group of Christians openly decapitating people? Or how about a Christian group that slaughtered 30 children and placed their severed heads on fences around the city.

Ops reality sometimes gets in the way.

So, you know what Tu Quoque is?

 

[Hank77]

Muslims who speak out against ISIS do tend to say that terrorists are not properly practicing Islam and that their views are a perversion of orthodox Islam. That you beleive True Islam TM demands acts of terrorism is irrelevant. Millions of Muslims don't accept your understanding of Islam. They generally don't let non-Muslims who disapprove of their religion define "True Islam" for them anymore then you would allow a Muslim opponent of Christianity to define True Christianity for you.

I don't pretend to define Islam. Mohammad did that by his own behaviors and actions. Or are you saying that Mohammad was not a 'true Muslim' practicing 'true Islam'?