Another shooting - San Bernadino California.

[bhsmte]

What I find disturbing is that we've been told that the named suspect was known to have communicated with suspected terrorists (I believe), why wasn't he being watched? It's the same thing with the Boston bombing, the Russians told us that these brothers were radicalized and we didn't catch them. What good are our intelligence agencies?

Good question.

The former FBI dude on CNN said; we have one million people on the watch list right now and if we put every person on the list that has any communication with those on the list, it would climb to 20 million plus, in no time.

Now, maybe they need to get better at prioritizing certain risk factors with each person, but it would seem to be a difficult task at best, to keep close track of all these people.

 

[Armoured]

no we need everyone armed because there are homicidal maniacs running around loose , get rid of them first then we will gladly give up our weapons for defense against them

Odd that the US seems to be the only developed country where this is a regular problem.

It's almost as if... there's more to it than that?

 

[TLK Valentine]

They are going to Hell anyway.
When dealing with psychotics who are convinced they will go to Heaven for commiting acts of murder, assuring them of the eternity in Hell that awaits them might actually save lives. The greater tragedy is to let them think the way to Heaven is through the murder of the infidels. They still end up in Hell and innocent people die. Perhaps, though, a few would want to avoid going to Hell and would therefore NOT commit murder in the name of God.

I wish you the best of luck trying to reason with psychotics... I suspect taking this suggested path will have you seeing eye-to-eye in no time.

 

[Calvinist Dark Lord]

Odd that the US seems to be the only developed country where this is a regular problem.

It's almost as if... there's more to it than that?

Just off the top of my head: Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ion Antonescu and Nicolae Ceausescu in Romania, Mussolini, Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, and Kim Jong Eun in North Korea.

We don't seem to have that problem here. i wonder why that is...

 

[HannahT]

Just off the top of my head: Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ion Antonescu and Nicolae Ceausescu in Romania, Mussolini, Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, and Kim Jong Eun in North Korea.

We don't seem to have that problem here. i wonder why that is...

 

[TLK Valentine]

Seems like just the other day we were discussing the Colorado Springs shooting... they'll be another one by the time this thread makes any real headway...

 

[Armoured]

Just off the top of my head: Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ion Antonescu and Nicolae Ceausescu in Romania, Mussolini, Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, and Kim Jong Eun in North Korea.

We don't seem to have that problem here. i wonder why that is...

Ugh. Seriously?

 

[interpreter]

How can you predict a PARTICULAR shooting?

I said a Paris-style attack would be staged by a couple Muslim immigrants. That fits the San Bernardino attack to a T. And I predict there will be many more such attacks in 2016.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I said a Paris-style attack would be staged by a couple Muslim immigrants. That fits the San Bernardino attack to a T. And I predict there will be many more such attacks in 2016.

You predicted that terrorists would commit terrorism... Call Ripley.

 

[interpreter]

Actually, on average there has been a mass shooting each day in the US.

Most of them by Muslims.

 

[Calvinist Dark Lord]

Ugh. Seriously?

Yes, seriously.

We have had smaller 'problem children' in this nation that were solved with an armed population before they became bigger problems requiring --shall we say-- more 'extreme measures'. Our history is replete with such incidents at all levels and across the entire political spectrum. Usually however, they are small scale events and remain that way because the opposition isn't crazy enough to attempt escalation of the situation. Vary rarely was anyone killed --Thank God-- but in many cases tyranny was suppressed. That is the purpose in having the Second Amendment.

 

[Armoured]

Most of them by Muslims.

[citation needed]

 

[Armoured]

Yes, seriously.

We have had smaller 'problem children' in this nation that were solved with an armed population before they became bigger problems requiring --shall we say-- more 'extreme measures'. Our history is replete with such incidents at all levels and across the entire political spectrum. Usually however, they are small scale events and remain that way because the opposition isn't crazy enough to attempt escalation of the situation. Vary rarely was anyone killed --Thank God-- but in many cases tyranny was suppressed. That is the purpose in having the Second Amendment.

I'm not getting into this discussion. The tl:dr version is that armed citiens may have been sufficient to act as a "check" on the government in the 1700s, but the conceit is quite ridiculous today. I don't for a minute think there is any causal link between the conduct of the US government and an armed citizenry.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I said a Paris-style attack would be staged by a couple Muslim immigrants. That fits the San Bernardino attack to a T. And I predict there will be many more such attacks in 2016.

well, time will tell.

 

[Calvinist Dark Lord]

I'm not getting into this discussion. The tl:dr version is that armed citiens may have been sufficient to act as a "check" on the government in the 1700s, but the conceit is quite ridiculous today. I don't for a minute think there is any causal link between the conduct of the US government and an armed citizenry.

Isn't always government. In most cases where government was involved as the culprit, it wasn't at the federal or state level. Exceptions have happened though.


Tyranny=/=oppressive government in all cases --i haven't done a count but would venture to say most cases. ISIS in Iraq is a good example. Those guys weren't government, but they are killing a lot of good Islamic citizens of that nation because they don't pray the same way, or at the same times, or by the same rules as somebody thinks they should.

That doesn't happen here on any significant level because of an armed citizenry and in many cases good policing to restore order.

 

[interpreter]

How very Christian...

Actually it is. Jesus commands us to kill His enemies, and He would probably approve of feeding them to the pigs. Sounds good to me.

 

[crjmurray]

Actually it is. Jesus commands us to kill His enemies, and He would probably approve of feeding them to the pigs. Sounds good to me.

That's impressive.

 

[Calvinist Dark Lord]

I'm not getting into this discussion. The tl:dr version is that armed citiens may have been sufficient to act as a "check" on the government in the 1700s, but the conceit is quite ridiculous today. I don't for a minute think there is any causal link between the conduct of the US government and an armed citizenry.

More to your point as far as i understand what you're saying (tl:dr???), the Constitution anticipated much of what is happening today with respect to the government. It certainly anticipated people who wanted to take enumerated and non-enumerated rights away.

 

[interpreter]

I've read where Mohammed encourages his followers to murder. Can you cite the chapter and verse where Jesus does the same?

Luke 19:27

 

[Armoured]

Isn't always government. In most cases where government was involved as the culprit, it wasn't at the federal or state level. Exceptions have happened though.


Tyranny=/=oppressive government in all cases --i haven't done a count but would venture to say most cases. ISIS in Iraq is a good example. Those guys weren't government, but they are killing a lot of good Islamic citizens of that nation because they don't pray the same way, or at the same times, or by the same rules as somebody thinks they should.

That doesn't happen here on any significant level because of an armed citizenry and in many cases good policing to restore order.

That doesn't happen in the US because you have police and a military.