Evolution is Not Atheistic

[ecco]

Right, especially these days where there are numerous other religions practiced in the U.S., which is much different from the founding fathers perspective.

Many of our founding fathers were deists, not christians.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

RickG

The problem lies in "Fundamental Extremists" in both religion and politics. In other words, the belief that their way is the only way.​

I disagree. The problem with religions is that scripture can be interpreted many different ways. Regardless of how it is interpreted, those doing the interpretation believe they have the "truth of god" to support their views.

But that's the thing though. Interpreting a religious text is wholly down to the person reading the script.
A religious text by itself is... nothing. It's just words on a page. Like how a gun is no danger when it is just sitting on a table. It is all down to the person reading the text that... and I just realised that I am basically restating your point.

 

[ecco]

Who puts diced onions on a burger anyway?

White Castle!

 

[ecco]

But that's the thing though. Interpreting a religious text is wholly down to the person reading the script.
A religious text by itself is... nothing. It's just words on a page. Like how a gun is no danger when it is just sitting on a table. It is all down to the person reading the text that... and I just realised that I am basically restating your point.

LOL

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

LOL

Hehe. Whoops.

 

[RickG]

Many of our founding fathers were deists, not christians.

However, deists from a Christian perspective.

 

[Job8]

It also appears, you are confusing abiogenesis with evolution, which is a common issue, with creationists. Evolution, does not deal in how life began.

The quotation provided links the two as a continuous progression, so splitting hairs dones not changes the facts.

 

[bhsmte]

The quotation provided links the two as a continuous progression, so splitting hairs dones not changes the facts.

The fact is, evolution does not address how life originated.

Typically, it is creationists, that need to mix the two.

 

[ecco]

However, deists from a Christian perspective.

What does that mean? Deists do not believe in a divine jesus or a personal god.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

What does that mean? Deists do not believe in a divine jesus or a personal god.

I think it means that since they were raised in a Christian environment, then they approached deism from a Christian point of view.

 

[RickG]

I think it means that since they were raised in a Christian environment, then they approached deism from a Christian point of view.

Exactly.

 

[RickG]

What does that mean? Deists do not believe in a divine jesus or a personal god.

Warden_of_the_Storm clarified what I meant in post #573.

 

[Hoghead1]

Deists argued that God was the ultimate watchmaker, the ultimate architect, and in that sense, as God has a mind, he can be considered a personal being. However, Deists believe that God, in creation, wound up the world as a watchmaker winds of a watch. Everything happens automatically in the nice, neat orderly pattern God instilled in it. There, God so not at all have to interact with the world. On occasion, he might, just as a watchmaker sometimes has to get in and fix the watch. But God is such a good watchmaker, to begin with, that he rarely needs to do this. Hence, many feel very distant from the God of Deism. The situation with Christ requires some more explaining. Our founding fathers, especially, Jefferson, Adams, Madison, were deeply skeptical abut the Christian religion. They denounced it as providing nothing but bloodshed, tyranny , oppression, superstition, etc. Incidentally, for that reason, the opening clause in the US treaty with Tripoli reads, "As the United States is not founded on the principles of the Christian religion..." Turning to Jefferson, he serves as an early role model for free inquiry into absolutely everything, nothing was off limits or too scared for him to investigate. This included the Bible. So Jefferson sat down with the KJV in one and that a razor in the other, and went through the Bible, line by line, cutting out any passages he thought were ridiculous to any rational, scientific mind, and keeping what little of value is left. In the end, he produced a Bible, only 48 pages long. This Bible became to official Bible of US Congress and is still issued to Congress today. From his free rational inquiry into Scripture, Jefferson concluded that the NT, especially the writings of Paul were all a complete and total fabrication of the life and teaching of Christ. This included anything supernatural, such as the Virgin Birth. Jesus was seen, not as some supernatural or divine individual, but as a damn good rationalist and Deist. Hope that helps.

 

[ecco]

I think it means that since they were raised in a Christian environment, then they approached deism from a Christian point of view.

Believing in a divine jesus and a personal god? Do you have anything to support that? Washington refused last rites from christian clergy.

 

[ecco]

Deists argued that God was the ultimate watchmaker...The situation with Christ requires some more explaining. Our founding fathers, especially, Jefferson, Adams, Madison, were deeply skeptical abut the Christian religion. They denounced it as providing nothing but bloodshed, tyranny , oppression, superstition, etc. Incidentally, for that reason, the opening clause in the US treaty with Tripoli reads, "As the United States is not founded on the principles of the Christian religion..." Turning to Jefferson, he serves as an early role model for free inquiry into absolutely everything, nothing was off limits or too scared for him to investigate. This included the Bible. So Jefferson sat down with the KJV in one and that a razor in the other, and went through the Bible, line by line, cutting out any passages he thought were ridiculous to any rational, scientific mind, and keeping what little of value is left. In the end, he produced a Bible, only 48 pages long. This Bible became to official Bible of US Congress and is still issued to Congress today. From his free rational inquiry into Scripture, Jefferson concluded that the NT, especially the writings of Paul were all a complete and total fabrication of the life and teaching of Christ. This included anything supernatural, such as the Virgin Birth. Jesus was seen, not as some supernatural or divine individual, but as a damn good rationalist and Deist. Hope that helps.

Thanks much. What I have left of your post (I cut just a little) agrees with my understanding of Deism. Having said that, I'm sure there are many slightly different versions of Deism, just as there are with any belief system.

Thanks again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes of course. I forgot that atheists are never wrong. I must tell Christopher Hitchens that he was wrong because Subduction Zone says he was. What would Christopher know. After all he is one of the most quoted atheists on the planet (when he was alive of course). And here is me thinking that he knew what he was talking about. Just shows that you can't believe a word that an atheist says.

Judging by the comments here from atheists I can believe what one atheist told me that no one atheist speaks for another. So if an atheist says the world was 10 years old that is right and if another one says that is 10 million years old that is right and if another says that it was 10 billion years old that is right.

And if an atheist said as he did on TV we all came from a sand worm that is right. And if another one as David Attenborough said we all descended from a fish that must be right and if another one said we descended from an amoeba in a pond that must be right.

No wonder people think that evolution is a fairy story.

Sorry, atheists can be wrong quite often. Of course not anywhere near as often as creationists, but they can be wrong.

I gave you a reasonable demand. And the Christian thing to do would be to demonstrate that you did not break the Ninth Commandment by supporting your claim with a quote. Sadly by not doing so you make it look as if you were making false claims about your neighbor.

And please, looking at how weak your beliefs are you should never call the beliefs of another a fairy tale.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What evidence? You atheists keep rabbiting on about providing evidence, so provide some. And whilst you are at it, tell me how life began, because unless you know the answer to that question you can't prove a thing about evolution.

You are wrong again of course. The theory of evolution is not dependent upon the first source of life at all. But by moving the goal posts that far you in effect admit that evolution is correct. Are you sure that you want to do that? Now if you ask politely people may discuss abiogenesis for you.

Also it seems like most creationists you do not understand the nature of evidence. I am sure that evidence has been given to you, but since you do not understand the concept of evidence you believe that none was given. I can help you with that lack of yours.

 

[ecco]

As I was saying said: ↑

What evidence? You atheists keep rabbiting on about providing evidence, so provide some. And whilst you are at it, tell me how life began, because unless you know the answer to that question you can't prove a thing about evolution.​

I am sure that evidence has been given to you, but since you do not understand the concept of evidence you believe that none was given. I can help you with that lack of yours.

Betcha' Can't.

 

[justlookinla]

Also it seems like most creationists you do not understand the nature of evidence. I am sure that evidence has been given to you, but since you do not understand the concept of evidence you believe that none was given. I can help you with that lack of yours.

No, you won't. You've never 'helped' anyone with evidence, only making baseless and worthless claims.

 

[AV1611VET]

Washington refused last rites from christian clergy.

So would I.