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Transgender gets pregnant.

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never mind....i am not trying to post anything that may cause you pain, specifically....

i'm sorry.

You didn't cause me any pain, I was simply letting you know that that has happened. Intersex people are nature's way of saying that the small boxes that people try to fit everything neatly into aren't absolutes.
 
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You didn't cause me any pain, I was simply letting you know that that has happened. Intersex people are nature's way of saying that the small boxes that people try to fit everything neatly into aren't absolutes.

Thanks kindly for sharing your opinion, although i do not agree.
 
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Thanks kindly for sharing your opinion, although i do not agree.

Literally not an opinion, but a medical fact:

A woman who was told she would never have children because she was born with no reproductive organs has given birth to twin girls.

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Following months of hospital trips and blood tests, specialists told her she had been born with XY chromosomes, meaning she was genetically male.

Source. That's just one example.
 
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So gay men are now being born into female bodies.

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A woman became pregnant.

That's nature.

(NEWSER) – In 2013, about a year after they started dating, Kayden and Elijah Coleman of Philadelphia found themselves rushing to tie the knot. Kayden, who was born female but was at that point a decade into gender reassignment therapy, had stopped taking hormones for six weeks to undergo a double mastectomy, and soon learned that his aching back and bloated belly were in fact clues that he was 21 weeks pregnant, reports the San Francisco Chronicle.

http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/nation/2015/11/17/decade-into-sex-change-surprise-pregnancy/75919232/
 
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Or, a heterosexual female with a chemical imbalance and no proper therapy is making news again. And God help us, is fertile.

Chemical imbalance is a very unlikely cause of gender dysphoria.

Therapy is not found to be a cure for many cases of gender dysphoria.
 
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Chromosomes and chemicals are absolutely related to gender identity disorder. And if therapy is not found to cure the disorder then the therapy that is behind transitioning is not a curative nor a solution to bring balance.

It's not a disorder.

LA Children's Hospital study shows trans children do not have a hormone imbalance.

As for chromosomes, how?

Feel free to back up your statement on chemicals as well.

Transition is the curative/solution to the condition. That has proven itself over time. Most places require therapy before medical transition is provided (particularly with surgery). This is done to make sure that
 
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It's not a disorder.

LA Children's Hospital study shows trans children do not have a hormone imbalance.

As for chromosomes, how?

Feel free to back up your statement on chemicals as well.
No. You're the apologist for Trans. You know it's a fact that chromosomes enter into the discussion as to what is wrong with the one who believes they are a different gender than their body denotes.
And transitioning is not a curative. It's an alteration that corresponds to the mental disorder that cotrols thoughts and the bodies hormonal secretions. It all begins in the mind and that's a fact via the inclusion of the disorder in the DSM for mental health science.
If transitioning were a curative Trans wouldn't suffer from mood disorders, additions that include mind altering chemical consumption that ranges from alcohol to abuse of legal drugs and illegal as well.
It's not a curative that makes all things perfect because the treatment addressed what was at first an imbalance.

Money isn't an issue as many Trans use that excuse when they're male to defend why they've never been surgically amputated of their male anatomy. That full feeling of being female in the mind first isn't fully realized as a true condition resolved when that male still has his package. And after spending a small fortune to alter himself in ways above the waist. And in ongoing expense for the prescriptions that help keep up appearances.

In short, cut it off to prove the point transitioning is a curative. Nothing cures seeing a female in the mind like surgically amputating the male on the physical body.

I'm finished with this discussion. If someone wants to enter into Trans apologetics they can't be surprised when not everyone agrees a born man seeing a woman on his inside isn't suffering issues that begin in the mind where perception of self is part of the whole physical self-identifying package.
If I'm a female and I feel a man inside me there's something off. Because as a female I can't tell you what it feels like to feel that way. I am that way. If it's a conscious awareness it's an obsessive disorder and that needs tending too.

What's happening now is barbaric. We're cutting people up so that their mental disorder feels at home in the body because treating the mind that see's the body needing to be cut up to feel right about itself isn't being addressed. Because that would not be politically correct and would represent a terrible condition called; intolerance.

When we're called intolerant for thinking mentally ill chemically imbalanced people need compassion and therapy and hormonal treatment to make the body they're born in feel balanced for lack of what is missing in order to accomplish that, we're further down the rabbit hole than we thought.
A born male feeling female has too much estrogen and other issues and those need be corrected rather than allowed to be over stimulated because the symptom takes precedent over the cure.
 
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You know it's a fact that chromosomes enter into the discussion as to what is wrong with the one who believes they are a different gender than their body denotes.

No. I've never seen a study stating that our chromosomes are different from the non-trans population. You made the claim, so it is incumbent upon you to back that statement up.

It all begins in the mind and that's a fact via the inclusion of the disorder in the DSM for mental health science.

I quoted you the statement on the inclusion of gender dysphoria in the DSM 5. It states exactly why they included it as a diagnosis. I'll even quote it for you here:

removing the condition as a psychiatric diagnosis—as some had suggested—would jeopardize access to care

Source linked above.

If transitioning were a curative Trans wouldn't suffer from mood disorders, additions that include mind altering chemical consumption that ranges from alcohol to abuse of legal drugs and illegal as well.

We don't transition in a vacuum. Society creates many problems, i.e. people insisting we are disordered or mentally ill when the APA says we are not. We can be refused service, denied housing, refused medical care, refused a job, etc. with no legal recourse in most of the US. You are refusing to acknowledge the potential outside sources of problems and there are plenty.

It's not a curative that makes all things perfect because the treatment addressed what was at first an imbalance.

I already linked the study showing that it's not caused by an imbalance.

No treatment "makes all things perfect". That's an absurd standard.

Money isn't an issue as many Trans use that excuse when they're male to defend why they've never been surgically amputated of their male anatomy. That full feeling of being female in the mind first isn't fully realized as a true condition resolved when that male still has his package. And after spending a small fortune to alter himself in ways above the waist. And in ongoing expense for the prescriptions that help keep up appearances.

This demonstrates a lack of understanding.

1. The "small fortune" trans women spent to "alter himself above the waist" I assume is related to breast augmentation and/or facial feminization surgeries. Not every trans women gets those.
2. SRS is very expensive and often not covered under insurance (that is changing).

I'm finished with this discussion.

I'm not sure this conversation meets that definition. You have failed to back up anything in your posts as you've been requested.
 
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(NEWSER) – In 2013, about a year after they started dating, Kayden and Elijah Coleman of Philadelphia found themselves rushing to tie the knot. Kayden, who was born female but was at that point a decade into gender reassignment therapy, had stopped taking hormones for six weeks to undergo a double mastectomy, and soon learned that his aching back and bloated belly were in fact clues that he was 21 weeks pregnant, reports the San Francisco Chronicle.

http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/nation/2015/11/17/decade-into-sex-change-surprise-pregnancy/75919232/

It seems very odd that if she thinks she's a man, that she would want to have a baby. I hate abortion and, as messed up as this situation is, I'm glad she didn't kill the child, but if I was a woman who thought I was a man, I don't think I'd want to go through something so undeniably female as having a child.
 
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It seems very odd that if she thinks she's a man, that she would want to have a baby. I hate abortion and, as messed up as this situation is, I'm glad she didn't kill the child, but if I was a woman who thought I was a man, I don't think I'd want to go through something so undeniably female as having a child.
Oooh, it's so unfair when two pet barrows crash into each other like that, huh?
 
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Okay I'll say it. So "he" was still having vaginal sex but yet "he" identifies as a man. Then the other man indentifies himself as "gay" but still is having vaginal sex. Foolishness.

"I don't understand this" is not equal to "this is foolishness." That goes for many things, not just human sexuality.
 
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(NEWSER) – In 2013, about a year after they started dating, Kayden and Elijah Coleman of Philadelphia found themselves rushing to tie the knot. Kayden, who was born female but was at that point a decade into gender reassignment therapy, had stopped taking hormones for six weeks to undergo a double mastectomy, and soon learned that his aching back and bloated belly were in fact clues that he was 21 weeks pregnant, reports the San Francisco Chronicle.

http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/nation/2015/11/17/decade-into-sex-change-surprise-pregnancy/75919232/
A woman who feels like a man and is attracted to men ???
OK...she/he was attracted to men so she became a man attracted to men. So is now a gay man?
 
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