What is Science?

[bhsmte]

Does not matter, a Phd is a Phd and if you do not have one then you are not qualified. The door swings both ways and this applies to science and theology. if they want to quote from an infidel web site and count that as authority then they have to accept the creationist web sites as absolute authority. Otherwise it is a double standard.

I am smart enough to know that Dr Dino does not know what he is talking about when it comes to science. They do not seem to know that infidel dot com does not know what they are talking about when it comes to religion. As Peter says: ignorant and unstable people distort, ...Scriptures, to their own destruction. (2pet3:16)

The infidels, scoffers, apostate or whatever you call them will distort the scriptures then when you explain to them the true meaning they will accuse the Bible scholar of doing the twisting and distorting. They never seem to get tired of going around and around that same may berry bush. No one is forcing anyone to believe in anything. It is logical for a person to be agnostic, lazy but logical. It is logical for people to not accept what science can not verify. What I am referring to are the people that go beyond logic and even make a mockery of science in their attack on God and the written word of God. They almost verify that there must be a God simply because of their venomous attack on the God of the Bible.

Again I am not saying anything at all about their attack on God or on the Bible. I am only talking about their abuse and misuse of science. The very thing that they claim to support but it is just a tool they misuse to reach their real objective. Real men of science should take a stand to support science. If science shows the Bible is accurate and true then they have to let the chips fall where they may because that is what science is all about. You have to go where science takes you. Even if you had no idea that science was going to take you where it does. I had no idea that Noah's flood was NOT a world wide flood. That is where science takes us and so that is where we need to go. If you want to accept science and the Bible.

Does this mean, a Phd biblical historian, uses the same methods in their work as a Phd biologist?

 

[StanMann]

He has the answer for any and all questions.

I could make the same claim for the Great JuJu up the mountain, it's just a claim.... the only answer you have are the answers you give yourself, replace your God with the Great JuJu and your answers will be exactly the same.....

 

[AV1611VET]

the Great JuJu

There's that witchcraft showing again.

Let me guess ...

You're an evolutionist, aren't you?

 

[lesliedellow]

When people face the truth that is when they become Christians. The truth is what sets us free. If it did not work I would not be a Christian. Why would I waste my time on something that does not work? God has the solution for any and all problems. He has the answer for any and all questions. Science can not make that claim at all. There are many many problems they can not solve and many questions they can not answer.

Unfortunately God did not leave us a complete compendium on Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, or whatever succeeds them. Presumably he did not think that it was necessary for our spiritual welfare to do that, but he is still quite happy for us to do it for ourselves.

 

[StanMann]

There's that witchcraft showing again.

Witchcraft and magic were the for runners of religion.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Unfortunately God did not leave us a complete compendium on Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, or whatever succeeds them. Presumably he did not think that it was necessary for our spiritual welfare to do that, but he is still quite happy for us to do it for ourselves.

Yes He is happy for us to do it ourselves. I wish He would do it for us. But then we would just be spoiled children.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I could make the same claim for the Great JuJu up the mountain, it's just a claim.... the only answer you have are the answers you give yourself, replace your God with the Great JuJu and your answers will be exactly the same.....

Is that your testimony? Are you claiming that is the relationship you have with the Great JuJu? If so that is fine. Having faith in something, anything at least gives you the placebo effect.

 

[bhsmte]

Is that your testimony? Are you claiming that is the relationship you have with the Great JuJu? If so that is fine. Having faith in something, anything at least gives you the placebo effect.

Does this mean, faith in a God could be a placebo effect?

 

[AV1611VET]

Witchcraft and magic were the for runners of religion.

And evolution is a religion.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Does this mean, faith in a God could be a placebo effect?

Faith in God by definition HAS to be as effective as the Placebo effect. This has been proven again and again. PLUS you have the power of suggestion and the power of positive thinking. Made famous by Norman Vincent Pearl and Robert Schuller. If religion goes no further then this, then it is very beneficial. For example, we know that if you can get the body to relax that helps for the body to heal itself. If you pray, meditate, yoga, tai chi or whatever you got that will relax the person to help them control their stress is going to help them to heal. If faith in God helps them, fine.

Of course when it comes to science you have to go beyond the placebo effect to prove your case. This is difficult to establish because people of science do not understand how to test God to see if He is for real. They do not understand how covenant theology works. It seems like they do not have an accurate concept of God so they are pretty much looking in all the wrong places for Him.

 

[StanMann]

They do not understand how covenant theology works. It seems like they do not have an accurate concept of God so they are pretty much looking in all the wrong places for Him.

Doesn't that apply to everyone? how many people all over the world are looking for a God? pretty much everyone, even you,
how many have found a god? no one not even you, you just believe you have because you have convinced yourself that you have, you pray to fresh air and convince yourself you are praying to your imagined god, who's fooling whom?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Doesn't that apply to everyone? how many people all over the world are looking for a God? pretty much everyone, even you,
how many have found a god? no one not even you, you just believe you have because you have convinced yourself that you have, you pray to fresh air and convince yourself you are praying to your imagined god, who's fooling whom?

The Bible says: "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you". I was looking for God and God showed me Jesus, Jesus introduced me to the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit became my teacher to guide me into the truth and to teach me about God. So when we are looking for God we find Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

 

[StanMann]

The Bible says: "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you". I was looking for God and God showed me Jesus, Jesus introduced me to the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit became my teacher to guide me into the truth and to teach me about God. So when we are looking for God we find Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

We are just going to have to take your word for that, those words sound as if they came straight out of the pulpit.

 

[AV1611VET]

We are just going to have to take your word for that, those words sound as if they came straight out of the pulpit.

Words from the Bible coming 'straight out of the pulpit' ... what a concept!

 

[StanMann]

The Bible says: "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you". I was looking for God and God showed me Jesus, Jesus introduced me to the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit became my teacher to guide me into the truth and to teach me about God. So when we are looking for God we find Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

We are just going to have to take your word for that, those words sound as if they came straight out of the pulpit.

Words from the Bible coming 'straight out of the pulpit' ... what a concept!

Repeating words Parrot fashion is never a good thing, some might even suggest a form of indoctrination has gone on.
what a concept!

 

[AV1611VET]

Repeating words Parrot fashion is never a good thing, some might even suggest a form of indoctrination has gone on.

Ya ... when I took Applied Mathematics in the 9th grade, I thought something was suspicious.

They were saying the exact same things I heard in Arithmetic class in the 1st grade.

 

[bhsmte]

Faith in God by definition HAS to be as effective as the Placebo effect. This has been proven again and again. PLUS you have the power of suggestion and the power of positive thinking. Made famous by Norman Vincent Pearl and Robert Schuller. If religion goes no further then this, then it is very beneficial. For example, we know that if you can get the body to relax that helps for the body to heal itself. If you pray, meditate, yoga, tai chi or whatever you got that will relax the person to help them control their stress is going to help them to heal. If faith in God helps them, fine.

Of course when it comes to science you have to go beyond the placebo effect to prove your case. This is difficult to establish because people of science do not understand how to test God to see if He is for real. They do not understand how covenant theology works. It seems like they do not have an accurate concept of God so they are pretty much looking in all the wrong places for Him.

Doesn't answer my question. Please read it again.

 

[StanMann]

Ya ... when I took Applied Mathematics in the 9th grade, I thought something was suspicious.

They were saying the exact same things I heard in Arithmetic class in the 1st grade.

I wonder why that was? could it be that not a lot had changed in math over those years? electricity still works the same as it ever did whereas Gods come and go with people's whims.
Think about all those people sacrificed to all of those weird and wonderful gods of long lost religions? where are those gods now? are they still there? were they ever there? a lot of people lived and died thinking they were, people just like you.

 

[AV1611VET]

I wonder why that was? could it be that not a lot had changed in math over those years?

Now you're getting it!

Malachi 3:6a For I am the LORD, I change not;

electricity still works the same as it ever did whereas Gods come and go with people's whims.

That's right!

By way of example:

Ea, Marduk, and Ishtar were imported into India as Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva.

Think about all those people sacrificed to all of those weird and wonderful gods of long lost religions? where are those gods now? are they still there? were they ever there?

Good questions!

Elijah put it to the test.

1 Kings 18:21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.
22 Then said Elijah unto the people, I, even I only, remain a prophet of the LORD; but Baal's prophets are four hundred and fifty men.
23 Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under:
24 And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken.
25 And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under.
26 And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.
27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.
29 And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.
30 And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he repaired the altar of the LORD that was broken down.
31 And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of the LORD came, saying, Israel shall be thy name:
32 And with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD: and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed.
33 And he put the wood in order, and cut the bullock in pieces, and laid him on the wood, and said, Fill four barrels with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice, and on the wood.
34 And he said, Do it the second time. And they did it the second time. And he said, Do it the third time. And they did it the third time.
35 And the water ran round about the altar; and he filled the trench also with water.
36 And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word.
37 Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again.
38 Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.
39 And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God.
40 And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.

You'd like Elijah!

a lot of people lived and died thinking they were, people just like you.

And the rest lived and died knowing God was the only One true God of the universe.

 

[StanMann]

And the rest lived and died knowing God was the only One true God of the universe.

You mean believing that, not knowing that, all the others had believed that their Gods were the one and only Gods of the universe as well, but if it makes you feel better you keep telling yourself that you know, and keep that bible close because it's all you have.