What is Science?

[joshua 1 9]

What you are doing is changing what the Bible says so that it matches with science.

So much for science affirming what is in the Bible.

You can not change the Bible. The Bible was written 3500 years ago. All we do is seek to understand the message that God has for us in the Bible today. Even with Science when we find a fossil. We seek to understand the message that God has for us. There is a reason that He leaves us the natural record that Science loves to study. There is something He wants us to know and to understand. God reveals Himself through Science and though the Bible.

At one time I believed the earth was 6,000 years old and that Adam and Eve were the first people to live. There is overwhelming evidence to show that is not what the Bible is saying. So Science has changed my understanding of the Bible. But the Bible itself has not changed. Just my understanding of the Bible has changed. Now I have a deeper better understanding. I have more wisdom and knowledge about how God created the world and the universe we live in.

 

[KWCrazy]

Science is the study of the physical world around us. The Bible is the word of a supernatural Creator. It lists 333 violations of natural law which demonstrate that the ultimate lord of the universe is its Creator, not the physical laws which govern and regulate its continued existence. Science cannot study the supernatural using tools designed to explore the physical world.

 

[Loudmouth]

As a mascot?

As a voting member. The IRB is in charge of approving research programs. They often include human and animal research which requires additional oversight.

 

[Loudmouth]

You can not change the Bible.

And yet you do it all of the time. The Bible clearly states that plants were created before the Sun. You twist and contort to avoid that fact.

 

[lesliedellow]

Most scientists would say that "science is a way of knowing".

Science in its modern sense is a methodology for investigating the physical universe. It tries to infer general principles from particular instances, and then to see whether experimental data can validate those inferred principles.

 

[joshua 1 9]

And yet you do it all of the time. The Bible clearly states that plants were created before the Sun. You twist and contort to avoid that fact.

I absolutely do not believe that you believe what you are saying. The only conclusion I can draw is that you are trying to pull a Poe. Do you have a Phd in Theology from an accredited University? If not then could you present someone that does to verify what your saying is true.

I do not even know why we are having this conversation. It is already been played out on the internet. The skeptics and scoffer web sites have made their claims against the Bible. The Bible scholars have defended the Bible each and every time. What does it accomplish to play out all that drama all over again here on this web site? It is pretty much going to all be cut and past from stuff that is already on the internet.

 

[katerinah1947]

All of the science I have done has gone through an Institutional Review Board (IRB) which included non-scientists from the community at large. In fact, a local pastor has served on that IRB for quite a while now.

Hi,

Oh Wow. Do tell please. What is your favorite piece of work that passed the review board?

I worked with a guy once who told me he was not going to write a paper on actually a laser interferometer to be used on the inside diameter of tubes. I asked him why, in those days, as I thought all things papers were written for.

He says: "Patents now a days, do not stand up. Publishing something just tell everyone else what you know. This is better as a trade secret."

One day, on that grain size of Aluminum issue for Schottky Diodes, I so wanted to write a paper on it, and they wouldn't let me. If I didn't have the words of that other researcher, it would have been harder. So, we just made better Schottly's than other folks, until a departing engineer gave what I did to the world, if he wanted to. Well, turn about is maybe called for.

I was working with a new Research Director, and we were working on making the metal not an issue on high frequency military transistors. He told us how to do it. We did. The military went ballistic on this and that is how I found out about it. In those days, I was a primary source for Electron Beam Cold Cathode Field Emission Electron Microscopes. This is way before Atomic Force Microscopy dwarfed some Electron Beam Microscopes and was in the days when Field emission rather than thermally emitted electrons was very new.

So, I got to hear that we got the information from the former company our new research director used to work for, which I think is highly illegal. Usually, what you learn for a company, you are not allowed to share with your next company.

So, if you have a favorite, it would be nice to hear, for me.

LOVE,

 

[StanMann]

Science in its modern sense is a methodology for investigating the physical universe. It tries to infer general principles from particular instances, and then to see whether experimental data can validate those inferred principles.

I think you are wasting your time explaining because creationists just do not want to know.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Science in its modern sense is a methodology for investigating the physical universe. It tries to infer general principles from particular instances, and then to see whether experimental data can validate those inferred principles.

I would like to see the so called men of science apply the same standard to their Bible study that they apply to science. People of integrity do not have double standards.

 

[lesliedellow]

I would like to see the so called men of science apply the same standard to their Bible study that they apply to science. People of integrity do not have double standards.

People of integrity do not confuse apples with oranges. The methods used by biblical scholars are closer to those used by literary critics, historians and theologians than they are to those used by scientists.

 

[joshua 1 9]

People of integrity do not confuse apples with oranges. The methods used by biblical scholars are closer to those used by literary critics, historians and theologians than they are to those used by scientists.

Does not matter, a Phd is a Phd and if you do not have one then you are not qualified. The door swings both ways and this applies to science and theology. if they want to quote from an infidel web site and count that as authority then they have to accept the creationist web sites as absolute authority. Otherwise it is a double standard.

I am smart enough to know that Dr Dino does not know what he is talking about when it comes to science. They do not seem to know that infidel dot com does not know what they are talking about when it comes to religion. As Peter says: ignorant and unstable people distort, ...Scriptures, to their own destruction. (2pet3:16)

The infidels, scoffers, apostate or whatever you call them will distort the scriptures then when you explain to them the true meaning they will accuse the Bible scholar of doing the twisting and distorting. They never seem to get tired of going around and around that same may berry bush. No one is forcing anyone to believe in anything. It is logical for a person to be agnostic, lazy but logical. It is logical for people to not accept what science can not verify. What I am referring to are the people that go beyond logic and even make a mockery of science in their attack on God and the written word of God. They almost verify that there must be a God simply because of their venomous attack on the God of the Bible.

Again I am not saying anything at all about their attack on God or on the Bible. I am only talking about their abuse and misuse of science. The very thing that they claim to support but it is just a tool they misuse to reach their real objective. Real men of science should take a stand to support science. If science shows the Bible is accurate and true then they have to let the chips fall where they may because that is what science is all about. You have to go where science takes you. Even if you had no idea that science was going to take you where it does. I had no idea that Noah's flood was NOT a world wide flood. That is where science takes us and so that is where we need to go. If you want to accept science and the Bible.

 

[lesliedellow]

Does not matter, a Phd is a Phd and if you do not have one then you are not qualified. The door swings both ways and this applies to science and theology. if they want to quote from an infidel web site and count that as authority then they have to accept the creationist web sites as absolute authority. Otherwise it is a double standard.

I am smart enough to know that Dr Dino does not know what he is talking about when it comes to science. They do not seem to know that infidel dot com does not know what they are talking about when it comes to religion. As Peter says: ignorant and unstable people distort, ...Scriptures, to their own destruction. (2pet3:16)

That militant atheists are not to fussed to get their facts right in trying to slag off religion. But fundamentalists are guilty of the same crime when they try to slug of science, of which they seem to be just as wilfully ignorant.

 

[joshua 1 9]

That militant atheists are not to fussed to get their facts right in trying to slag off religion. But fundamentalists are guilty of the same crime when they try to slug of science, of which they seem to be just as wilfully ignorant.

How can you compare a traitor to someone that is ignorant? They want to talk about the servant getting beaten. Lets look at what Jesus says about that: "47"And that slave who knew his master's will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes,48 but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more."

They are more worried about the few lashes that the ignorant are going to get without any consideration for the many lashes for the person that sins in full knowledge of the truth.

Heb 12 6FOR THOSE WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES." 7It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.…

 

[StanMann]

How can you compare a traitor to someone that is ignorant? They want to talk about the servant getting beaten. Lets look at what Jesus says about that: "47"And that slave who knew his master's will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes,48 but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more."

They are more worried about the few lashes that the ignorant are going to get without any consideration for the many lashes for the person that sins in full knowledge of the truth.

Heb 12 6FOR THOSE WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES." 7It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.…

In your opinion should one person be allowed to own another person as property?
Please don't add anything to the question just answer the question.

 

[joshua 1 9]

In your opinion should one person be allowed to own another person as property? Please don't add anything to the question just answer the question.

A question that forces an answer is a loaded question. Esp by the use of the word: "own". That is not what we are talking about in the Bible. We are talking about people that were bought and paid for and there is plenty of that going on in the world today.

"A loaded question or complex question fallacy is a question that contains a controversial or unjustified assumption (e.g., a presumption of guilt).[1]

Aside from being an informal fallacy depending on usage, such questions may be used as a rhetorical tool: the question attempts to limit direct replies to be those that serve the questioner's agenda.[2] The traditional example is the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" Whether the respondent answers yes or no, they will admit to having a wife and having beaten her at some time in the past. Thus, these facts are presupposed by the question, and in this case an entrapment, because it narrows the respondent to a single answer, and the fallacy of many questions has been committed.[2] The fallacy relies upon context for its effect: the fact that a question presupposes something does not in itself make the question fallacious. Only when some of these presuppositions are not necessarily agreed to by the person who is asked the question does the argument containing them become fallacious.[2] Hence the same question may be loaded in one context, but not in the other. For example, the previous question would not be loaded if it was asked during a trial in which the defendant has already admitted to beating his wife.[2] Wiki

 

[StanMann]

A question that forces an answer is a loaded question. Esp by the use of the word: "own". That is not what we are talking about in the Bible. We are talking about people that were bought and paid for and there is plenty of that going on in the world today.

When you buy something do you expect to own it or could it still be owned by someone else?

As long as you are able to avoid, duck and twist away from reality you will remain a Christian, I think the day you face the truth head on is the day you will stop being a Christian, just my opinion.

 

[joshua 1 9]

When you buy something do you expect to own it or could it still be owned by someone else?

As long as you are able to avoid, duck and twist away from reality you will remain a Christian, I think the day you face the truth head on is the day you will stop being a Christian, just my opinion.

There is nothing to duck. I know many many girls that have worked as domestic helpers in Hong Kong and other countries. I know many man that have work overseas as contract workers. You have no idea what is involved in all of this. This sort of thing is actually against the law in the United States so we have very little exposure to it here. In fact they dream about coming to the United States or Canada. The land of the free and the land of opportunity. To escape the conditions they have in Asia. Do you realize that a young girl in China living in a village can not hope to make much working on the farm? If she goes to the factory she could make maybe $100 a month. Would you like to try to live on $100 a month? They do give her a bed to sleep in and they have a huge pot that they throw food in that everyone eats out of. So what do they do when they get a day off? They go to town and they buy some REAL food that they have been craving for all month. THEN they buy some clothing and personal needs, tooth brush, tooth paste, soap to wash their clothing. Then they buy a clothing, shoes for their feet. Whatever might be left over after they buy the absolute essentials gets sent home to help out their parents. They hope to get married and have a family of their own, but they have no hope of saving any money for that. It is all they can do to try and pay off their debt. The cost of the agency that found them their job and the cost of traveling to the job. Once a year they have Chinese new year. Everyone takes a week off from work. They go home to see their family. 20% of the people do not return to their job after the Holiday. So they go out and hire new people. They are not a slave, they can quit if they want, but they can starve also. I actually have many pictures on my computer of people working in the factory in China. I would not want to work on an assembly line all day long like that and share a bed with someone that is working a different shift from me in a room with a min of 5 beds. Not for $100 or $120 per month. If they pay the min wage. In some places they may only make $60 a month because they do not pay the state min wage. Think about that next time you use your telephone or some China made item made in a sweat shop by young girls fresh out of school. Are they worried about getting beaten? Not really, they are worried about losing the little tiny bit of money they do have to buy their needs in life.

 

[StanMann]

There is nothing to duck. I know many many girls that have worked as domestic helpers in Hong Kong and other countries. I know many man that have work overseas as contract workers. You have no idea what is involved in all of this. This sort of thing is actually against the law in the United States so we have very little exposure to it here. In fact they dream about coming to the United States or Canada. The land of the free and the land of opportunity. To escape the conditions they have in Asia. Do you realize that a young girl in China living in a village can not hope to make much working on the farm? If she goes to the factory she could make maybe $100 a month. Would you like to try to live on $100 a month? They do give her a bed to sleep in and they have a huge pot that they throw food in that everyone eats out of. So what do they do when they get a day off? They go to town and they buy some REAL food that they have been craving for all month. THEN they buy some clothing and personal needs, tooth brush, tooth paste, soap to wash their clothing. Then they buy a clothing, shoes for their feet. Whatever might be left over after they buy the absolute essentials gets sent home to help out their parents. They hope to get married and have a family of their own, but they have no hope of saving any money for that. It is all they can do to try and pay off their debt. The cost of the agency that found them their job and the cost of traveling to the job. Once a year they have Chinese new year. Everyone takes a week off from work. They go home to see their family. 20% of the people do not return to their job after the Holiday. So they go out and hire new people. They are not a slave, they can quit if they want, but they can starve also. I actually have many pictures on my computer of people working in the factory in China. I would not want to work on an assembly line all day long like that and share a bed with someone that is working a different shift from me in a room with a min of 5 beds. Not for $100 or $120 per month. If they pay the min wage. In some places they may only make $60 a month because they do not pay the state min wage. Think about that next time you use your telephone or some China made item made in a sweat shop by young girls fresh out of school. Are they worried about getting beaten? Not really, they are worried about losing the little tiny bit of money they do have to buy their needs in life.

You have more problems than I imagined, you can't even bring yourself to answer a simple question so I think we should leave it there and let you carry on with your life.
Take care.

 

[joshua 1 9]

When you buy something do you expect to own it or could it still be owned by someone else?

As long as you are able to avoid, duck and twist away from reality you will remain a Christian, I think the day you face the truth head on is the day you will stop being a Christian, just my opinion.

When people face the truth that is when they become Christians. The truth is what sets us free. If it did not work I would not be a Christian. Why would I waste my time on something that does not work? God has the solution for any and all problems. He has the answer for any and all questions. Science can not make that claim at all. There are many many problems they can not solve and many questions they can not answer.

 

[joshua 1 9]

You have more problems than I imagined, you can't even bring yourself to answer a simple question so I think we should leave it there and let you carry on with your life.
Take care.

God has the answers and the solutons. When your ready you can turn to Him for whatever you want or need. He gives us the desires of our Heart, abundantly above and beyond all that we would ever ask or even think to ask.