Is the theory of evolution moral and ethical

[Armoured]

Since Adam and Eve were direct creations of God, and this truth is rejected by evolutionists, how do you not see any conflict? Since God created the universe in six, literal, twenty four-hour days, another truth rejected by evolutionists, how could you possibly not see a conflict.

God didn't create the universe in 6 literal 24 hour days. Simple.

 

[SkyWriting]

Is the theory of evolution really a theory; there are rules governing scientific theories and I wonder if scientists have bent the rules to accommodate the theory of evolution.

Looking forward, no problem.
Looking backward to imagine
origins....big problem.

ABSTRACT
The scientific method, a time-honored approach for discovering and testing scientific truth, does not and cannot work for the forensic sciences in its standard form because it does not work for past events. Past events cannot be observed, cannot be predicted or deduced from physical evidence, and cannot be tested experimentally.

 

[SkyWriting]

Where in the Bible, does it say, that God created the universe, in six literal 24 hour days? God's use of time, it's not the same, as ours.

Likely, "time" did not begin until Adam's sin.
Well after Creation and the Garden was created.

 

[Poster0]

The theory of evolution was/is not "a notion dreamed up by an atheists [sic]".

Firstly, the idea that organisms change over time is a very old idea, pre-Socratic philosophers such as Anaximander were among the first to propose that the diversity of life is the result of change over time.

St. Augustine of Hippo, rejecting a literal reading of Genesis 1, instead understood his Latin translation of the book of Sirach (which he, and most Christians historically, regarded as Scripture) that God created all things at once (Sirach 18:1"Qui vivit in aeternum creavit omnia simul" or "Who lives forever created all things at once", the Greek of the LXX from which the Latin derived uses koine where the Latin has simul, as such a better translation would be "created all things in common" however what Augustine had was a pre-Vulgate Latin translation). So in Augustine's understanding all things were created at the same time, however not in their present form, but everything was created in potential, in seminal forms which evolved, developed, and changed over time.

In the 18th century there was already two important ideas forming within the scientific world.

1) That the earth was very old, at least millions of years old if not older.
2) Life evolved and had been evolving, and living things were related to one another.

These were not ideas produced by "atheists", but ideas that arose within the scientific community, many of these scientists were not only devoutly religious, but were members of the clergy.

What Darwin observed in his visit to the Galapagos Islands and which he proposed in Origin of the Species wasn't evolution--that was something western scientists had already been accepting for decades--it was the mechanism that drove evolution, namely, natural selection. Natural selection is what Darwin proposed, not evolution. Further, Darwin was not an atheist. Darwin had been a religious man early in his life until he lost his child, and like many parents who lose their children experienced a crisis of faith. Darwin's own views, for much of his life, float around somewhere between a sort of "soft theism" and agnosticism.

The idea that atheists came up with the theory of evolution in order to remove the place of God in the appreciation of the natural world is demonstrable fiction and propaganda. Further, even if the chief brains from which evolutionary theory had developed were those of atheists it would be irrelevant, since science, if it is science, remains science. It doesn't matter who proposes a theory, if the theory is true then it is true. That the earth is round doesn't become false simply because a non-Christian says it. That is among the worst kind of tribalistic thinking.

I'm sorry, but the Creationist propagandists you have been learning from have been selling you snake oil.

-CryptoLutheran

DO you believe that Adam and Eve were real people? Do you also believe that man evolved from a primitive ape beast?

 

[Goonie]

Since Adam and Eve were direct creations of God, and this truth is rejected by evolutionists, how do you not see any conflict? Since God created the universe in six, literal, twenty four-hour days, another truth rejected by evolutionists, how could you possibly not see a conflict.

Evolution is a theory dealing with how life developed, it does not address Adam and Eve, it is only an issue if you take a literal interpretation of Genesis.

 

[Poster0]

Evolution is a theory dealing with how life developed, it does not address Adam and Eve, it is only an issue if you take a literal interpretation of Genesis.

No, it actually an issue for other reasons as well.

 

[Poster0]

Apparently we should not believe a literal account of Genesis. WE should not believe in Adam and Eve either, but we should instead believe that man evolved from a primitive ape beast millions of years ago, slowly mutating from one form into another, until finally reaching his present form. Of course there is no real evidence of this, but we should just trust them because they know what they are talking about.

 

[Goonie]

No, it actually an issue for other reasons as well.

Really? Sigh I was going to ask you to elaborate, but remembering your other posts I think I'd rather chill.

 

[bhsmte]

Apparently we should not believe a literal account of Genesis. WE should not believe in Adam and Eve either, but we should instead believe that man evolved from a primitive ape beast millions of years ago, slowly mutating from one form into another, until finally reaching his present form. Of course there is no real evidence of this, but we should just trust them because they know what they are talking about.

Hey, believe whatever you want, but when you misrepresent science, folks are going to challenge your position and ask you to support it with evidence, which you have not done.

If the presentation of the evidence regarding evolution causes the turmoil for you that you have mentioned in several posts, why do you stay here?

 

[Job8]

Where in the Bible, does it say, that God created the universe, in six literal 24 hour days? God's use of time, it's not the same, as ours.

We can thank God that He would not allow men to manipulate the creation account. This was done by embedding the creation account into the Ten Commandments, and ensuring that the days were understood as six literal 24 hour days (Exodus 20:8-11): Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The six days of man's labor are compared to the six days of creation, and there can be absolutely no misunderstanding about these days being six literal 24 hour days. Orthodox Jews observe the sabbath today precisely are shown above.

Furthermore, evolution is refuted in this passage by the affirmation that whatever exists in heaven, on earth, and in the sea -- all life forms in their distinct species -- were created within this period of time. This can be corroborated from Genesis chapters 1 and 2. That the universe ("the worlds") was included in this creation is confirmed by Hebrews 1:2,10-12; 11:3, which also affirm that Word of God was the Creator (John 1:1-3).

 

[Poster0]

Hey, believe whatever you want, but when you misrepresent science, folks are going to challenge your position and ask you to support it with evidence, which you have not done.

If the presentation of the evidence regarding evolution causes the turmoil for you that you have mentioned in several posts, why do you stay here?

Typical logical fallacy.

 

[Poster0]

Where in the Bible, does it say, that God created the universe, in six literal 24 hour days? God's use of time, it's not the same, as ours.

Where in the bible does it say that Adam was a prehistoric ape beast who lacked the intelligence that mankind now has? Do you actually believe that ToE has proven their ridiculous assertions about mans origin?

 

[bhsmte]

Typical logical fallacy.

I know you won't answer, but I will ask as a matter of principle:

Demonstrate what I said is a logical fallacy.

 

[Job8]

Evolution is a theory dealing with how life developed, it does not address Adam and Eve, it is only an issue if you take a literal interpretation of Genesis.

Either all life forms were created precisely as they exist today (Genesis) or they began as a blob of protoplasm and evolved over millions or billions of years (evolution). So there is no escaping the creation of Adam and Eve. If men evolved from monkeys, then Adam and Eve are a fable. If humanity descended from Adam and Eve, then evolution is a lie. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

 

[Poster0]

I know you won't answer, but I will ask as a matter of principle:

Demonstrate what I said is a logical fallacy.

Ok. There really isn't much point debating it anyway. I see no logic in debating people who claim that its impossible to prove that the earth is round instead of flat, or deny Gods existence but will believe that man evolved from prehistoric ape creatures.

 

[bhsmte]

Ok. There really isn't much point debating it anyway. I see no logic in debating people who claim that its impossible to prove that the earth is round instead of flat, or deny Gods existence but will believe that man evolved from prehistoric ape creatures.

Then why do you keep responding to people, who disagree with you?

 

[Poster0]

I mean come on, ToE posters have actually asserted that we cannot prove that the earth is round vs flat. Talk about subjective reasoning.

 

[Poster0]

Then why do you keep responding to people, who disagree with you?

Because I choose to.

 

[Goonie]

Either all life forms were created precisely as they exist today (Genesis) or they began as a blob of protoplasm and evolved over millions or billions of years (evolution). So there is no escaping the creation of Adam and Eve. If men evolved from monkeys, then Adam and Eve are a fable. If humanity descended from Adam and Eve, then evolution is a lie. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

Ah, the your with us or against us position. Personally it's not my issue, atheist, but the majority of Christians, the Catholic Church for example, accept evolution.

 

[bhsmte]

Because I choose to.

Which contradicts your desire to not debate certain people and or your many previous statements that you were done with this thread.