Don't know exactly. All we know the CCC says 5 things happen first before the 2nd coming. 2 have. I think we are in the time before 3. Three is the full number of Gentiles.
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According to the Catechism, the "last days" is the time period of the Church on earth from her birth at Pentecost until the Second Coming (CCC 732). So we are in the last days. I agree that the time of God's mercy comes before the Final Judgment. But people have to be open to God, and only God knows how long this period of mercy will be.
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And people are doing this. That's what I mean by encouraging the wrong thing. We should be doing what pope Fran is doing. Offer God's mercy, not stock pilling and hoarding.
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But I think we have to consider the bible where Paul's says the number of gentiles come in and JP who spoke so much about a new springtime .
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I believe that "the full number of Gentiles" means the majority of Gentile nations since Jesus told the apostles to baptize all nations and since the gospel has in fact been preached to every nation in the whole world.
"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come." - Jesus (Matt 24:14)
"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.” - Jesus (Matt 28:19-20)
"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.” - Jesus (Matt 28:19-20)
The majority of Gentile nations did become Christian. It was called Christendom. But now nearly all of them have apostatized. So I think that period came and went, and I believe that we are now waiting for a mass conversion of the Jews.
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yes, but there is a difference.
let's say that two families do believe that the end is comming.
Family A pulls their kids out of school, cashes in their retirement accounts, and takes a trip around the world.
Family B leaves their kids in school, leaves their retirement funds where they are, and caries on with their usual family devotions, etc.
the world would say that it was family A that were the believers and preppers,
when actually it's family B who are the true believers.
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both families are acting out what is in their heart.
family A is in denial of the last days, and showing where their real faith is.
family is accepting that these might be the last days, but their 'prepping' concerns the heart and soul,
not the riches and possessions.
so it's not dangerous to talk about these things---it's revealing what is already in the hearts of men in these latter days.
this is not a time of preparation, but a time of confirmation and strengthening of what is already recognized.
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It as per the Church and scripture says may not be THE rebellion but a rebellion that will lead to repentance. Divine Mercy. Not the rebellion that leads to the end. This one lead to peace.
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It's dangerous if we aren't right about the times for family A's of the world. If it's not the end and families A think it is, they are hurting themselves. It's better to convey what we always have. Prepare for your own end day, not the end day.
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The East and the West were united. But then the Great Schism happened. And it was all downhill after that with the Protestant revolution, then the atheistic so-called "Enlightenment," then the sexual revolution, the homosexual revolution, and a new Islamic global jihad. Jesus, the Apostles, and the prophets described it in very simple terms—the gospel is preached to all the nations of the world, a great apostasy happens, and then the Final Judgment happens. In His mercy, God grants the world an opportunity to repent before the end, but it says in Sacred Scripture that the world as a whole ultimately will not repent. That's why I believe there's hope for individuals, but I'm pessimistic about the world as a whole.
“The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands nor give up worshiping demons and idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot either see or hear or walk; nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their immorality or their thefts.” – Rev 9:20-21
“The fourth angel poured his bowl on the sun, and it was allowed to scorch men with fire; men were scorched by the fierce heat, and they cursed the name of God who had power over these plagues, and they did not repent and give him glory. The fifth angel poured his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was in darkness; men gnawed their tongues in anguish and cursed the God of heaven for their pain and sores, and did not repent of their deeds.” Rev 16:8-11
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If there is perhaps it could be during a brief gap between when the Antichrist dies and when Jesus returns.
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No. Its happens before the anti Christ. Now, I believe is the time of chastisement and mercy before the era of peace when Mary's heart reigns.
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The call to repentance goes hand-in-hand with God's offer of divine mercy.
And the world needs to repent because it has apostatized.
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Indeed. I don't even get why Christians would care if they were living in the end times, unless they were going to use their explicit knowledge of the end times to convince unbelievers and help to win souls for Christ. I think that people who say things like "I'm 99.9% sure who the antichrist is but I'm not going to say who it is" or "I know who the Antichrist is but God didn't give me permission to tell anyone" and similar things are doing some real, tangible harm to Christ's Church, just as the conservative Christian prepped movement is. When the enemy accuses us of being dishonest and fearful, maybe we should counter that by demonstrating overt honesty and and courage rather than secrecy and fear.
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I'm not going to publicly say who I think the Antichrist is if I'm not 100% sure about it. I don't know why that bothers you.
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