Why is Christianity opposed to the theory of Evolution?

[bhsmte]

I don't know if that's true... that most Christians agree with the theory of evolution.. but.. if they don't yet....they soon will. I know that.

But even though...it does not make it a fact. It's still just a theory.

It is a fact and numerous polls demonstrate this fact.

As time goes on, more Christians will agree with evolution, as they are exposed to the evidence.

 

[food4thought]

Just for giggles, let's actually do the math with some rounded off figures. Scientists have actually sequenced the genomes of two parents and one of their children. From those experiments we know that each human is born with about 50 mutations. We also know that human generation times are 25 years or so. When we look at the chimp genome we see that there are 40 million mutations that separate our genomes. If we assume that half of those mutations happen in each lineage, that is 20 million mutations in the human lineage since common ancestry, which most scientists put at 5 million years before present.

If we go with a small human population of just 100,000 individuals through that 5 million year stretch, that is 5 million mutations per generation. In 5 million years, that is 200,000 generations. 5 million mutations per generation for 200,000 generations is 1 trillion mutations that did occur in the human lineage.

As stated before, we only kept 20 million of those mutations, or just 0.002% of the mutations that did occur. Again, these are just the mutations that were kept in the human lineage. Of the mutations that were kept, a large proportion are neutral mutation. If we double the portion of the genome that shows evidence of selectable function, we are still only talking about 20% of the genome where beneficial mutations could occur. Of the mutations that occur in the portion of the genome with selectable function, not even all of those need to be beneficial. So we are really talking about a tiny, tiny percentage of the mutations that did occur had to be beneficial, well below the number of mutations that did occur.

Looking at my math, I really don't understand how the needed mutations couldn't have occurred.

This is quite impressive, but it simply begs the question: what percentage of mutations in the human and ape genomes are beneficial? How many mutations that are beneficial to human survival have happened since we began studying such things? Have there been any at all? Do we even know? What would be an acceptable definition of "beneficial"? I wish I remembered where I heard this information, because I really can't recall the details. I'll cede the argument for now.



Honestly, I am not a scientist even though I respect what it has accomplished. I doubt evolution because it seems preposterous, and I have not heard any evidence for it that cannot be interpreted within a creationist perspective are flatly refuted as false. Then again, much the same could be said of relativity before the light refraction experiment... perhaps someday I will be convinced to accept it, but I doubt it happens here.

 

[Open Heart]

What facts?

I'm sure you've asked this before, and plenty of evolutionists have supplied you with oodles of evidence from many, many different sciences, genetics to geology. Since you haven't listened to them, I see no reason to go out of my way for you.

 

[justlookinla]

It is a fact and numerous polls demonstrate this fact.

As time goes on, more Christians will agree with evolution, as they are exposed to the evidence.

No Christian will embrace Godless Darwinist evolution. It's directly opposed to their belief system and isn't' based on the scientific method.

Only Darwinists embrace such a faith-based view.

 

[justlookinla]

I'm sure you've asked this before, and plenty of evolutionists have supplied you with oodles of evidence from many, many different sciences, genetics to geology. Since you haven't listened to them, I see no reason to go out of my way for you.

The 'we've offered this to you in the past and I'm not going to do it now' response is simply nothing but pure evasion.

 

[Open Heart]

As time goes on, more Christians will agree with evolution, as they are exposed to the evidence.

Thank goodness the schools are including the evidence at younger ages. I didn't know a thing about genetics or physical anthropology until I was in college.

 

[Open Heart]

No Christian will embrace Godless Darwinist evolution. It's directly opposed to their belief system and isn't' based on the scientific method.

It doesn't have to be Godless. Most Christians accept evolution. I do.

 

[justlookinla]

Thank goodness the schools are including the evidence at younger ages. I didn't know a thing about genetics or physical anthropology until I was in college.

Do you know anything about how, and by whom, you were created?

 

[justlookinla]

It doesn't have to be Godless. Most Christians believe in evolution. I do.

I too believe in evolution. But I don't believe in evolution. The view of evolution promoted by Darwinists is Godless. No God allowed, needed or wanted.

 

[bhsmte]

Thank goodness the schools are including the evidence at younger ages. I didn't know a thing about genetics or physical anthropology until I was in college.

Education, is the kryptonite, for biblical creationists beliefs.

 

[Open Heart]

Do you know anything about how, and by whom, you were created?

Of course.

 

[bhsmte]

It doesn't have to be Godless. Most Christians accept evolution. I do.

That bothers fundies, a lot.

 

[justlookinla]

Of course.

Does it differ from the Darwinist view that it was by a random, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless process?

 

[laurie2777]

It is a fact and numerous polls demonstrate this fact.

As time goes on, more Christians will agree with evolution, as they are exposed to the evidence.

The problem is...the evidence is made-up and it will deceive the masses. Once they believe that lie...it's a slippery fast paced slope to believing there is no God.

BTW, the Christians that do believe in evolution..what do they believe exactly? That God created the gasses that made the explosion that caused the big bang?

 

[Open Heart]

I too believe in evolution. But I don't believe in evolution. The view of evolution promoted by Darwinists is Godless. No God allowed, needed or wanted.

I believe in Theistic evolution, that God guides evolution, as I believe that natural selection is an insufficient explanation. But if I'm wrong and natural selection is the only thing at work, it still doesn't threaten me, because God would have chosen to put that law into effect -- it would be his will.

 

[justlookinla]

The problem is...the evidence is made-up and it will deceive the masses. Once they believe that lie...it's a slippery fast paced slope to believing there is no God.

BTW, the Christians that do believe in evolution..what do they believe exactly? That God created the gasses that made the explosion that bade the big bang?

As a Christian, I believe in micro-evolution. It's observable and based on the scientific method. That being said, I completely disagree with Darwnist (macro) evolution. It's based on guesses and suppositions.

 

[bhsmte]

The problem is...the evidence is made-up and it will deceive the masses. Once they believe that lie...it's a slippery fast paced slope to believing there is no God.

BTW, the Christians that do believe in evolution..what do they believe exactly? That God created the gasses that made the explosion that bade the big bang?

What does the big bang have to do with evolution.

You keep showing your lack of knowledge, yet you are certain it is all a lie. Quite a trick.

 

[com7fy8]

Seriously?? You truly believe that all mans accomplishments and advancements is proof of evolution?

That just proves what I said earlier .. ''that anyone can say anything and claim it as a fact''.. And my friend..that does not make it so..

In certain cases, there is the question of if someone is writing while under the influence.

And there are sober people who are just bluffing; therefore, one might just keep bluffing, or give a reference which even says not a word about your question or point > bluff and run-around.

And there's the claim that certain calculations have been made, and you can't understand unless you know advanced trig or whatever.

But I have read someone's clear explanation of things I brought up, which no one else came close to explaining . . . though the explanation included some required assumptions. But that one might have also said there were some very highly technical discoveries made, which I could not understand; and so I'd have to just take the person's word for it. But I can't prove someone is not lying.

What interests me, about someone's evolutionary theory, is the person's "therefores". What do you do because of your belief?

Possibly someone believes in having and being more than others; and so he or she is willing to accept the concept of "survival of the fittest".

But someone else could appreciate how species can be very highly dependent on each other . . . with need even for very weak species, such as fish which clean the mouths even of predators. Someone into sharing and helping might see evolution as being survival of the sharing and helping, and appreciate how differences can mean more various resources.

All theories stand on their own merits and the theory of evolution, is one of the most evidenced in science.

In law, there are different sorts of evidence > including "circumstantial" which is not acceptable, also false evidence which has been rigged or contaminated, and forensic evidence which can have one or more interpretations, and actual witnessed evidence; yet, even eyewitness evidence can be misunderstood.

So, can you present on this thread one item of proof evidence, here - - not a run-around or bluff of some link or claim??

things I listed, that you rely on everyday of your life, that were developed from other well evidenced scientific theories.

I do not know of any breakthrough benefit which has come from believing in some theory of evolution.

 

[food4thought]

Leaving aside the issue of whether or not a "designer" actually does solve any problems,

Lets go there, you'll be surprised, I think.

my thinking on this is that if you do not yet know the answer to a question that the best course of action is to keep trying to find out, rather than deciding that you'd rather fill in the blank with whatever you choose, regardless of whether or not it's actually true.

Yeah, but I have an answer that satisfies me quite well, and evolution has never really been convincing to me, even before I became a Christian.

 

[justlookinla]

I believe in Theistic evolution, that God guides evolution, as I believe that natural selection is an insufficient explanation. But if I'm wrong and natural selection is the only thing at work, it still doesn't threaten me, because God would have chosen to put that law into effect -- it would be his will.

Natural selection isn''t the mechanism whereby new life forms were created, according to Darwnist evolutionary teachings. Mutation created the new life forms, natural selection only populated them.