Enoch and Elijah

[benedictaoo]

Heh. What was Cardinal Wojtyla referencing?

Probably Communists.

 

[benedictaoo]

I said "I didn't reject anything except the idea that more time should be spent in speculation about the end times than in discussion about how we can better love our Lord and serve our neighbor." I didn't say that nobody should ever think about the end times.

I have never seen the poster you refer to promote traditional Catholocism. I rather like traditional Catholocism and the various licit traditionalist groups in our Church, most especially the ICKSP. What I don't care for is transparently wrangling Church teaching when it suits one's politics and ignoring Church teaching when it doesn't. I also don't care for the constant chicken littling that some folks do over every negative piece of news that comes down the pipe. Should Christ return tomorrow, I'll be pleased. Should He return in 2,000,000 years, I'll be happy. Neither the end of the world nor the end of our lives is something that should concern us much if we have our souls squared away and remain ready to face Christ at any momment.

Personally, I don't find this to be the case but carry on...

 

[MikeK]

Here we go again with the works... You do know were are not saved by our works alone, right? You may not have noticed but you preach a works based salvation. You know that's not the entirety of the Christian message.

You are misrepresenting my position. I am drawing attention to Christ's 2nd great command to us. Faith without works is dead, but that doesn't mean we are saved through works, far from it. Of course, followers of Christ will obviously show their faith in the way they live and how much they give of themselves and their time and effort, especially to the least fortunate. That doesn't mean works save us. We must give our time and talents and treasure freely, but that's not /how/ we get saved.

 

[MikeK]

Probably Communists.

Which communists? He was talking about a very specific movement.

 

[benedictaoo]

Where does this command come from, that the identity of the Antichrist not be revealed until God says so? Is that written somewhere or do people with the Spirit of Truth just know without having to be told because of all of their spiritual truthiness?

In my opinion only, spiritual people will know, not religious people, but spiritual people.

 

[benedictaoo]

Which communists? He was talking about a very specific movement.

Have no clue. Its my guess based on what I know of the great great pope and Saint that he was probably was referencing Communist or Communism. As Bishop that's the evil he dealt with directly.

 

[benedictaoo]

He was talking about a very specific movement.

and if you knew what he was referencing , why'd you ask?

 

[benedictaoo]

You are misrepresenting my position. I am drawing attention to Christ's 2nd great command to us. Faith without works is dead, but that doesn't mean we are saved through works, far from it. Of course, followers of Christ will obviously show their faith in the way they live and how much they give of themselves and their time and effort, especially to the least fortunate. That doesn't mean works save us. We must give our time and talents and treasure freely, but that's not /how/ we get saved.

I am NOT misrepresenting anything. I am making an observation strictly off of what you complain about in every thread LWU opens.

 

[benedictaoo]

Are you saying that there was a jubilee year with the theme of the Divine Mercy during the papacy of St. John Paul II? If that's what you are saying, I looked it up, and a jubilee year with the theme of the Divine Mercy didn't happen during St. John Paul II. He promoted the Divine Mercy a lot, but there wasn't a jubilee year specifically dedicated to it during his pontificate.

A side question. Is pope Francis year of mery in connection with the Divine Mercy?

 

[benedictaoo]

Because of the theme of God's divine mercy and the theme of repentance and reconciliation that goes with it. It's the first time we will have a jubilee year with that theme. And it is how Sacred Scripture describes what the mission of the two witnesses will be. Their mission is to do the same as what St. John the Baptist was doing around the time of the First Coming. He was calling everyone to repent and be reconciled to God, and that's what the Extraordinary Jubilee of Mercy is going to be all about.

Oh, so you feel JP's Divine Mercy and Francis's mercy year is laying the ground work in preparation of the end times?

 

[benedictaoo]

with respect, i would say not, and that the times for them are set on two different clocks of God.
Daniel's clock was stopped for the Jews on Palm Sunday, when they refused to recognize their King.
Subsequent to that event, the days and events of Holy Week unfolded
for the saving of the whole world. The Jubilee Year of Mercy I would say would be the capstone to that salvific act of Christ.
And the end of the Jubilee Year of Mercy would be the shutting of the door by the Bridegroom.

The Jubilee Year of Mercy has to proceed, and the number has to be fulfilled, before the clock starts again for the Jews in Revelation 14.

Hmm, interesting.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

A side question. Is pope Francis year of mercy in connection with the Divine Mercy?

Yes. In his Bull of Indiction of the Extraordinary Jubilee of Mercy, Pope Francis says, "Our prayer also extends to the saints and blessed ones who made divine mercy their mission in life. I think especially of the great apostle of mercy, Saint Faustina Kowalska. May she, who was called to enter the depths of divine mercy, intercede for us and obtain for us the grace of living and walking always according to the mercy of God and with an unwavering trust in his love."

 

[benedictaoo]

With Pope Francis, not only is he dedicating a jubilee year to the Divine Mercy, but if you think about it, it has been the dominant theme of his papacy from day one.

Repent, cuz devil's running out of time and this false following of his (pope) is meant to twist him to keep those in error, following error and nor truly repenting. Hmm, really interesting. Makes sense.
And to both Mark and Mike, FYI, there is not a dang thing wrong with Catholics speculating about the end times. I almost dare you to both to say there is. Its only wrong when said speculation contradicts the faith or if we say its "of the faith". No one has done that. So this really should end the complaints. If you don't like speculating on the end times, then don't do it, but lord, to pick on those that do is uncalled for and I expect it to stop.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Oh, so you feel JP's Divine Mercy and Francis's mercy year is laying the ground work in preparation of the end times?

Yes. I believe that, through the Vicar of Christ, God is giving the world a last chance to repent before the Second Coming and Final Judgment because Jesus said to Peter, "Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in Heaven."

 

[benedictaoo]

There is nothing wrong with a casual interest in prophesy. There is something seriously wrong with a greater emphasis being placed on prophesy than on the two greatest commands from our Lord. There is nothing wrong with studying prophesy in one's rest time between worshiping God and serving neighbor.

STOP! For the love of Pete, stop judging him. Some folks, for reasons that frankly aren't any of your beeswax may not be able to do all the wondrous things you do. I am really asking you to look deep and see that you are just like the rest of us here. We are all just doing the best we can with what God gives us.

 

[benedictaoo]

Yes. I believe that, through the Vicar of Christ, God is giving the world a last chance to repent before the Second Coming and Final Judgment because Jesus said to Peter, "Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in Heaven."

I never thought of that before. Makes sense. Pope's catering to the mass liberals because this just may be their final chance to repent before God hands them over to the hardness of their hearts. They'll have no excuse. Lights dawning for me on all levels now.

 

[benedictaoo]

Huh? I did none of what you said. I'm not sure what you think I said, but it isn't what you just typed. What Pope do you immagine I was trying to trump with another Pope?

In essence I feel you and Mark both tried to say, ignore what the past popes said about the end times and focus on what the more recent popes didn't say about it. As if what any recent pope says or don't say can trump past popes.

 

[MikeK]

In essence I feel you and Mark both tried to say, ignore what the past popes said about the end times and focus on what the more recent popes didn't say about it. As if what any recent pope says or don't say can trump past popes.

I did no such thing.

 

[MikeK]

STOP! For the love of Pete, stop judging him. Some folks, for reasons that frankly aren't any of your beeswax may not be able to do all the wondrous things you do. I am really asking you to look deep and see that you are just like the rest of us here. We are all just doing the best we can with what God gives us.

I'm not judging anyone. You are correct, we cannot know what others are capable of and therefore we cannot know what they are culpable of, even if we were able to directly observe every action they make. What we can do, as you are doing and I am doing, is opine on others' statements. Another thing that we can do, as you are doing and I am doing, is ask questions, to help us determine whether a person's position is rooted in reason.

I am no better and likely much worse than most people here, I believe that we are among some very dedicated servants of God.

 

[pdudgeon]

There is nothing wrong with a casual interest in prophesy. There is something seriously wrong with a greater emphasis being placed on prophesy than on the two greatest commands from our Lord. There is nothing wrong with studying prophesy in one's rest time between worshiping God and serving neighbor.

and by serving your neighbor--depending on the reason for your service--he might wind up thinking you're a great guy to help him out.
and you would have your one-off reward here on earth for every time you did that.

by studying prophecy (getting equipped for fishing) and understanding the signs of the times,(learning how to use that fishing gear)
you can do more than serve your neighbor.

there is an old saying--give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
teach a man to fish and he can feed himself and others for a lifetime.

in serving your neighbor, you're giving the man a fish.
maybe what really needs to happen is that you need to learn how to fish for yourself
so that you can then teach others how to fish.