The origins of atheism

[ScientArtist]

Atheism is the natural state of the human mind, untainted by thoughts about the why or what and concerned with the how, i.e. How to survive. So atheism extends farther back than the first memory of the first human.

 

[AV1611VET]

Atheism is the natural state of the human mind, untainted by thoughts about the why or what and concerned with the how, i.e. How to survive. So atheism extends farther back than the first memory of the first human.

And 108 billion people later, they still don't have an answer, do they?

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

Because it's evidence for the existence of God.

It's not, sorry.

If there wasn't any evidence, everybody would be atheists.Then you stop using your money.

Or Man made it all up to control populations. Two ways to control a population, hope & fear (heaven & hell).

Then you stop using your money.

"In God we Trust" wasn't added to money until 1957.
The United States wasn't founded with Christianity in mind. I'm not sure if you are under that impression or not but if you are, you can think that all day long, it's not true.

 

[AV1611VET]

"In God we Trust" wasn't added to money until 1957.

That's probably because of the encroachment of atheists.

Had to keep the wheat and the tares separate, you know.

The United States wasn't founded with Christianity in mind.

As our pledge says, we are:

ONE NATION UNDER GOD.

 

[Davian]

Because it's evidence for the existence of God.

As there is evidence for ancient extraterrestrial aliens visiting Earth, current extraterrestrial aliens visiting Earth (and abductions!), and crop circles being more than just some wheat stalks flattened by a couple of guys with planks and some string, but it is the quality of which that leaves me unconvinced.

 

[Davian]

IN GOD WE TRUST!

Is that the "God" that allegedly walked and talked in a garden that has no evidence of having existed, poofed people and animals into existence, and later, in a manner contrary to the modern understanding of genetics, populated the planet with a tiny group of individuals and animals that survived a global flood in an unbuildable boat, a flood that killed the dinosaurs in a manner that only *appears* to be 65 million years ago, because the Earth is really only somehow 6000 years old, yet remains, by every objective measure to date indistinguishable from nothing? Or are there some in your country that believe otherwise?

 

[AV1611VET]

As there is evidence for ancient extraterrestrial aliens visiting Earth, current extraterrestrial aliens visiting Earth (and abductions!), and crop circles being more than just some wheat stalks flattened by a couple of guys with planks and some string, but it is the quality of which that leaves me unconvinced.

America wasn't built on guys that were "unconvinced."

America's churches, hymns, songs, organizations, martyrs, etc. came from a breed of people with strong convictions.

 

[AV1611VET]

Is that the "God" that allegedly walked and talked in a garden that has no evidence of having existed, poofed people and animals into existence, and later, in a manner contrary to the modern understanding of genetics, populated the planet with a tiny group of individuals and animals that survived a global flood in an unbuildable boat, a flood that killed the dinosaurs in a manner that only *appears* to be 65 million years ago, because the Earth is really only somehow 6000 years old, yet remains, by every objective measure to date indistinguishable from nothing? Or are there some in your country that believe otherwise?

Sounds like you've heard of Him.

It's hard not to in this country, isn't it?

 

[Davian]

America wasn't built on guys that were "unconvinced."

America's churches, hymns, songs, organizations, martyrs, etc. came from a breed of people with strong convictions.

Is this "conviction" supposed to, in some mysterious manner, convince me of the veracity of their beliefs?

 

[Ana the Ist]

As our pledge says, we are:

ONE NATION UNDER GOD.

That part wasn't added until 1954.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

That's probably because of the encroachment of atheists.

How so?

ONE NATION UNDER GOD.

This wasn't added until in 1954. Go read the constitution and tell me how many times the words religion, Christianity or God are used. Hint: Religion is used twice

 

[Davian]

Sounds like you've heard of Him.

I have seen many and wildly different god claims in these forums. Is the god in that phrase Christian or Jewish?

It's hard not to in this country, isn't it?

In my country, particularly where I live, religion is thin on the ground. In 50 years, I have only encountered one young-Earth creationist, and he was a Muslim. Religion is just not a subject that comes up for discussion.

I don't really count the few exchanges that I have had with the JWs. They don't even come to my door any more. I have no idea why.

 

[Davian]

...
As our pledge says, we are:

ONE NATION UNDER GOD.

That was added by people, and can be taken out by people. It is only evidence of believers.

 

[As I was saying]

Another good question is: "And what happened before that?"

Eventually, they have to admit they don't know...which of course they deny even after admitting to it.

Yes, it is a good question Scott. Atheists are safe on their own ground where they have learnt to parrot answers but take them out of that and they are floundering big time. My own feeling is that unless you can comprehend how life began, you cannot make any suppositions or claims about anything else. That is where we christians who know the word of God are streets ahead because we have total assurance that in the beginning God created the heavens and earth and everything else follows on from that.

Thanks for your contributions here. They are much appreciated.

 

[Davian]

And 108 billion people later, they still don't have an answer, do they?

To what question?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Yes, it is a good question Scott. Atheists are safe on their own ground where they have learnt to parrot answers but take them out of that and they are floundering big time. My own feeling is that unless you can comprehend how life began, you cannot make any suppositions or claims about anything else. That is where we christians who know the word of God are streets ahead because we have total assurance that in the beginning God created the heavens and earth and everything else follows on from that.

Thanks for your contributions here. They are much appreciated.

You seem to have an aversion to the phrase "I don't know." Such a response is intellectually honest when one genuinely does not know. Many believers claim to know, but the answers they give seem to advance our understanding no further than "I don't know."

 

[Davian]

Yes, it is a good question Scott. Atheists are safe on their own ground where they have learnt to parrot answers but take them out of that and they are floundering big time. My own feeling is that unless you can comprehend how life began, you cannot make any suppositions or claims about anything else. That is where we christians who know the word of God are streets ahead because we have total assurance that in the beginning God created the heavens and earth and everything else follows on from that.

Thanks for your contributions here. They are much appreciated.

As you claim to comprehend how life began, can you explain it in detail here, beyond "a god did it"?

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

My own feeling is that unless you can comprehend how life began, you cannot make any suppositions or claims about anything else.

That's why I say "I don't know" to the "How life began" question. I'm glad science continues trying to answer that question. Science has a pretty good track record of explaining things we didn't understand before. I am content with "I don't know" to that question. I think pretending to know is a road block to knowledge. God of the Gaps doesn't help us learn new things.

That is where we christians who know the word of God are streets ahead because we have total assurance that in the beginning God created the heavens and earth and everything else follows on from that.

Provide the evidence.

 

[AV1611VET]

Is this "conviction" supposed to, in some mysterious manner, convince me of the veracity of their beliefs?

Yes.

Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Unfortunately, in these last days though, this passage applies:

Psalm 21:10 Their fruit shalt thou destroy from the earth, and their seed from among the children of men.

 

[As I was saying]

That's why I say "I don't know" to the "How life began" question. I'm glad science continues trying to answer that question. Science has a pretty good track record of explaining things we didn't understand before. I am content with "I don't know" to that question. I think pretending to know is a road block to knowledge. God of the Gaps doesn't help us learn new things.Provide the evidence.

At least you are honest. Most atheists waffle around the question trying to hide the fact that they don't know and I agree that pretending to know like most atheists do is a roadblock to knowledge that is why they have all sorts of theories and hypothesis about it. If only they would admit that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, life would be a lot less complicated for them.

The evidence has been provided more times than I care to number so I am not going to go round in circles saying what already has been said. To make it simple for you just google God and Creation and spend a few hours studying the various sites that have the information. I have done that so it is not too onerous.