The origins of atheism

[TheQuietRiot]

The creator is infinite and eternal, without beginning or end.

Allegedly.

None of that is substantiated.

 

[TheQuietRiot]

Yes, but its a necessary if to honestly consider if you really want to figure all this out. If you honestly don't want to figure all this out then neither God nor I can help you. You'll be left in the dark, literally.

All I ask is to be shown evidence of a god(s) existence.

It is not an unreasonable request.

 

[Chriliman]

So it it logically impossible to prove a super leprechaun to not exist?

Keep believing in that super leprechaun, I can't stop you.

My basis is simple.

I see no evidence for the existence of a god(s).

So I don't believe a god exists.

So then it's settled, you don't believe in God. So why are you here?

 

[Chriliman]

All I ask is to be shown evidence of a god(s) existence.

It is not an unreasonable request.

God's already got you covered there.

Matthew 7:7
"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you."

 

[TheQuietRiot]

Keep believing in that super leprechaun, I can't stop you.

I don't believe in it.

Its an example, I'm asking if you can prove it does not exist.

It is a simple question with a simple answer? No? Yes?

So then it's settled, you don't believe in God. So why are you here?

For numerous reasons.

 

[TheQuietRiot]

God's already got you covered there.

Matthew 7:7
"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you."

That is a passage in a bronze age book.

It means close to nothing to me and is not evidence of anything to any reasonable person.

 

[Chriliman]

That is a passage in a bronze age book.

It means close to nothing to me and is not evidence of anything to any reasonable person.

It's evidence that God has already made it clear that He is capable of answering your every question. He's just waiting on you to ask Him.

If you do care to know the answers to life's deepest questions, then don't expect answers to life's deepest questions to come from nothing. Expect them to come from something.

EDIT: do care

 

[TheQuietRiot]

It's evidence that God has already made it clear that He is capable of answering your every question. He's just waiting on you to ask Him.

I've asked and heard nothing from him directly.

Only his spokespeople.

 

[Chriliman]

It's evidence that God has already made it clear that He is capable of answering your every question. He's just waiting on you to ask Him.

If you do care to know the answers to life's deepest questions, then don't expect answers to life's deepest questions to come from nothing. Expect them to come from something.

EDIT: do care

If you do not care to know the answers to life's deepest questions, then don't expect answers to come at all.

 

[Chriliman]

I've asked and heard nothing from him directly.

Only his spokespeople.

There's a reason those spokespeople are there. God has a plan for you. That's all I know, I just know there's a plan.

His word says so.

Jeremiah 29:11
"For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."

 

[TheQuietRiot]

There's a reason those spokespeople are there. God has a plan for you. That's all I know, I just know there's a plan.

His word says so.

Jeremiah 29:11
"For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."

You know this for certain because its written in a book?

That may be enough evidence for you, but not for me.

 

[Chriliman]

You know this for certain because its written in a book?

That may be enough evidence for you, but not for me.

God loves us so much that He allows us to be completely broken in order to teach us His ways. You may or may not reach that broken place in life, time will tell.

Some are wise enough that they don't need to reach a state of brokenness to accept what God is offering. I was not that wise, but now I have the wisdom of God because He was gracious enough to give it me when I desperately asked for it.

 

[TheQuietRiot]

God loves us so much that He allows us to be completely broken in order to teach us His ways. You may or may not reach that broken place in life, time will tell.

Some are wise enough that they don't need to reach a state of brokenness to accept what God is offering. I was not that wise, but now I have the wisdom of God because He was gracious enough to give it me when I desperately asked for it.

Thats err, very nice of him.

 

[Colter]

Allegedly.

None of that is substantiated.

While God seems obvious to me, all things considered, I don't know of any proof that Atheist wouldn't again set out to pick apart. Besides, if you found God with absolute proof you might be tempted to stop looking for him. Making our way from the finite to the infinite is a fundamental part of the experiential plan; finding God in truth through experience.

102:1.5 "God is so all real and absolute that no material sign of proof or no demonstration of so-called miracle may be offered in testimony of his reality. Always will we know him because we trust him, and our belief in him is wholly based on our personal participation in the divine manifestations of his infinite reality."


Said the seer of old: “Lo, he goes by me, and I see him not; he passes on also, but I perceive him not.” We may constantly observe the works of God, we may be highly conscious of the material evidences of his majestic conduct, but rarely may we gaze upon the visible manifestation of his divinity, not even to behold the presence of his delegated spirit of human indwelling.

1:3.3 The Universal Father is not invisible because he is hiding himself away from the lowly creatures of materialistic handicaps and limited spiritual endowments. The situation rather is: “You cannot see my face, for no mortal can see me and live.” No material man could behold the spirit God and preserve his mortal existence. The glory and the spiritual brilliance of the divine personality presence is impossible of approach by the lower groups of spirit beings or by any order of material personalities. The spiritual luminosity of the Father's personal presence is a “light which no mortal man can approach; which no material creature has seen or can see.” But it is not necessary to see God with the eyes of the flesh in order to discern him by the faith-vision of the spiritualized mind.

1:3.4 The spirit nature of the Universal Father is shared fully with his coexistent self, the Eternal Son of Paradise. Both the Father and the Son in like manner share the universal and eternal spirit fully and unreservedly with their conjoint personality co-ordinate, the Infinite Spirit. God's spirit is, in and of himself, absolute; in the Son it is unqualified, in the Spirit, universal, and in and by all of them, infinite." UB1955
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[Chriliman]

Thats err, very nice of him.

Indeed, He is very gracious, that's why I serve Him with all my heart because I've never known such unlimited grace.

 

[bhsmte]

If you do not care to know the answers to life's deepest questions, then don't expect answers to come at all.

Maybe he is looking for answers that can be substantiated, with evidence?

 

[Chriliman]

While God seems obvious to me, all things considered, I don't know of any proof that Atheist wouldn't again set out to pick apart. Besides, if you found God with absolute proof you might be tempted to stop looking for him. Making our way from the finite to the infinite is a fundamental part of the experiential plan; finding God in truth through experience.

102:1.5 "God is so all real and absolute that no material sign of proof or no demonstration of so-called miracle may be offered in testimony of his reality. Always will we know him because we trust him, and our belief in him is wholly based on our personal participation in the divine manifestations of his infinite reality."


Said the seer of old: “Lo, he goes by me, and I see him not; he passes on also, but I perceive him not.” We may constantly observe the works of God, we may be highly conscious of the material evidences of his majestic conduct, but rarely may we gaze upon the visible manifestation of his divinity, not even to behold the presence of his delegated spirit of human indwelling.

1:3.3 The Universal Father is not invisible because he is hiding himself away from the lowly creatures of materialistic handicaps and limited spiritual endowments. The situation rather is: “You cannot see my face, for no mortal can see me and live.” No material man could behold the spirit God and preserve his mortal existence. The glory and the spiritual brilliance of the divine personality presence is impossible of approach by the lower groups of spirit beings or by any order of material personalities. The spiritual luminosity of the Father's personal presence is a “light which no mortal man can approach; which no material creature has seen or can see.” But it is not necessary to see God with the eyes of the flesh in order to discern him by the faith-vision of the spiritualized mind.

1:3.4 The spirit nature of the Universal Father is shared fully with his coexistent self, the Eternal Son of Paradise. Both the Father and the Son in like manner share the universal and eternal spirit fully and unreservedly with their conjoint personality co-ordinate, the Infinite Spirit. God's spirit is, in and of himself, absolute; in the Son it is unqualified, in the Spirit, universal, and in and by all of them, infinite." UB1955
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Honest question, have you replaced the Bible with this Urantia Book?

 

[Chriliman]

Maybe he is looking for answers that can be substantiated, with evidence?

Indeed, he might get evidence in the form of personal evidence that makes the reality of God evident to him personally. Should he disregard this personal evidence that is within him every minute of every day, that he cannot deny? How can he disregard such personal evidence?

 

[bhsmte]

Indeed, he might get evidence in the form of personal evidence that makes the reality of God evident to him personally. Should he disregard this personal evidence that is within him every minute of every day, that he cannot deny? How can he disregard such personal evidence?

What personal evidence is he denying?

Are you able to crawl inside his head and know what personal evidence he is denying?

 

[Davian]

Ask Christians to define God and you'll get consistent answers like God is love, goodness, truth, peace, grace, righteousness and the highest authority.

That's not defining, that is asserting. Nothing testable, falsifiable.

But you don't except this because we can't prove it and you can't prove us wrong.

Asking someone to prove a negative is something I consider to be intellectually bankrupt.

We can't both be right.

You are the one making the truth claims here.

Besides even if we all did have our own inconsistent definitions of God, would that have any affect on the reality of God existing?

As you have yet to define "God", your question is incoherent.