The origins of atheism

[Colter]

You can get angry and stomp all you want... you don't have power over etymology. The word is not what you say it is.

Even now you admit that there are atheists who do not insist that god isn't real.

I can promote the lack of belief in god all day without needing to prove your god doesn't exist. Just as I can promote not believing in aliens without actually needing to prove aliens couldn't exist.

There are genuine atheist who are indifferent, don't care, just stay out of my yard and my life. they really don't care. You aren't one of them, you are promoting Atheism as a belief system. But naturally you will disagree.

 

[Colter]

I think The Messianic Manic said it well in his most recent video (from 1:22 onward): "I don't attempt to show that god doesn't exist. I simply try to explain why I am not convinced that god exists."

That would all change if he were spirit born. He would be just as perplexed trying to explain his new found spirit father.

 

[Hikarifuru]

A neutral blank slate is the beginning of the human being, Atheism as promoted is a belief about the universe. You can get angry and stomp around all you want, you are promoting a belief. Neutral atheist aren't here on the Christian form trying to undermine faith, they are taking advantage of their very short lives.

I can and I have proven that your position is fallacious... and based on that, no faith is required to not accept your belief.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

That would all change if he were spirit born. He would be just as perplexed trying to explain his new found spirit father.

As I noted earlier, we've discussed being "spirit-born" before.

 

[Hikarifuru]

There are genuine atheist who are indifferent, don't care, just stay out of my yard and my life. they really don't care. You aren't one of them, you are promoting Atheism as a belief system. But naturally you will disagree.

Actually I am promoting your belief as fallacious and worthy of dismissal... the lack of belief is the alternative, and that's atheism.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

There are genuine atheist who are indifferent, don't care, just stay out of my yard and my life. they really don't care. You aren't one of them, you are promoting Atheism as a belief system. But naturally you will disagree.

@Davian recently posted this:

 

[Hikarifuru]

There are genuine atheist who are indifferent, don't care, just stay out of my yard and my life. they really don't care. You aren't one of them, you are promoting Atheism as a belief system. But naturally you will disagree.

Even if I was promoting the belief that gods can't exist.... that represents me as a person, not my atheism... but rather something that I as an atheist choose to do.

You know and admit atheism does not inherently deny the existence of god. You're talking out both sides of your mouth

 

[DogmaHunter]

Your Atheist dogma is defiantly nasty, I agree with that.

There's no such thing as "atheist dogma" has no claims, doctrines or whatever are associated with atheism.

Atheism is a single position on a single issue.

It's answering "no" when asked "do you believe theism is correct?".

It's not a claim by itself.

It's about time that you learn and remember that.

 

[Hikarifuru]

That would all change if he were spirit born. He would be just as perplexed trying to explain his new found spirit father.

The idea of being spirit born is fallacious too since you insist it cannot be subjected to any rule, measure or method... whadayaknow?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Belief is belief.

Indeed. And atheism is exactly not that. Atheism is NOT a belief.

Theism is a belief.
Atheist is what you are if you do not have theistic beliefs.

Derp.

A Godless existence is a belief about the universe.

No, it is not.

That changes when one is spirit born.

What changes when you go from atheism to theism is that you acquire a belief in gods.

What changes when you go from theism to atheism is you lose a belief in gods.


You need to believe something to be a theist.
An atheist is what you are when you do NOT have those beliefs.


Derp.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I call it a kind of faith because you cannot definitively disprove God.

Shifting burden of proof alert

 

[Hikarifuru]

That would all change if he were spirit born. He would be just as perplexed trying to explain his new found spirit father.

You have already given your evidence for your belief and it consisted of two things.

1. Your faith (confidence)
2. Your love (desires)

Those are not evidence. Since your belief does have or require evidence, no evidence is required to disagree with it. I need no more evidence to disagree with you than I need evidence to disagree that my little pony is real and I like my little pony a lot better than the bible.

 

[Colter]

I can and I have proven that your position is fallacious... and based on that, no faith is required to not accept your belief.

No, you are just impressed with your own BS and believe that to be proof of something.

 

[Colter]

Indeed. And atheism is exactly not that. Atheism is NOT a belief.

Theism is a belief.
Atheist is what you are if you do not have theistic beliefs.

Derp.



No, it is not.



What changes when you go from atheism to theism is that you acquire a belief in gods.

What changes when you go from theism to atheism is you lose a belief in gods.


You need to believe something to be a theist.
An atheist is what you are when you do NOT have those beliefs.


Derp.

Mental gymnastics aside, you still believe in a Godless universe.

 

[Hikarifuru]

If Mark Twain believed what he knew wasn't so then he was insincere.

Earlier you said you have Love, I believe you, I don't need for you to prove it, in fact, I know you couldn't prove it in the same way you demand for me to prove my relationship with God. That's what Atheist do, you think of augments and construct questions that you know cannot be answered in a scientific kind of way. This is deceptively self validating.

I can and prove that love exists though and you would be a liar to say it doesn't... you have very VERY good reasons to consider my love to be existent. You know it is likely that I love my family and friends. You'd be a fool to say I couldn't love them.

Agreeing that I probably love someone is not agreeing that I the son of god if I claimed to be. duh

That insincerity is exactly what Mark Twain meant. Faith is not sincere... its effort to be what you aren't or to believe what you don't.

 

[Colter]

You have already given your evidence for your belief and it consisted of two things.

1. Your faith (confidence)
2. Your love (desires)

Those are not evidence. Since your belief does have or require evidence, no evidence is required to disagree with it. I need no more evidence to disagree with you than I need evidence to disagree that my little pony is real and I like my little pony a lot better than the bible.

Yet I still have faith and you still have doubts.

 

[AV1611VET]

The problem, AV, is that the answers given are unsatisfactory,

And yet it was clearly answered from the Scriptures.

 

[Hikarifuru]

No, you are just impressed with your own BS and believe that to be proof of something.

.... we wont over this yesterday... you have a special pleading fallacy because you insist that your god is not subject to science or logic or rules, but it exists in a different realm or field... one that you only insist exists.

 

[AV1611VET]

In the words of Mark Twain.... "Faith is believing what you know ain't so"

So our martyrs died for something they knew wasn't so?

 

[Hikarifuru]

Yet I still have faith and you still have doubts.

That's not making a point... it remains that you have no evidence... so no evidence is not required to dismiss you and so faith is not required either.