The origins of atheism

[Hikarifuru]

To one who knows God faith is entirely logical. What rules do you use to claim that those who know God in their hearts do not know God? How do you claim to know that they do not Know?

That's not how logic works... something being believable to you is not the definition or method of logic. Especially not when you exclude that belief from all scientific rules.

 

[Colter]

You have no method to establish any unassailable spiritual truth, you say that your claims are special and should be exempt from all scrutiny. That's a fallacy.

It doesn't matter that many Christians are not in Jail, that most of the people who go to Jail are Christians establishes that Christianity does not provide a wisdom that enables one to obey the law.

Those are just the fears of the atheists conceited ego that hinds behind the claims of logic.

One can be a member of a Christian social club and not follow the law. Many professed Christians are actually secularists.

Are we to assume atheists don't break laws?

 

[Hikarifuru]

Those are just the fears of the atheists conceited ego that hinds behind the claims of logic.

One can be a member of a Christian social club and not follow the law. Many professed Christians are actually secularists.

Are we to assume atheists don't break laws?

I have made no claim that atheism grants wisdom... you've made the claim that Christians have a spiritual wisdom.

I haven't hid behind anything... by all means establish your claims, right here. Go ahead I am waiting. I want you to actually display and evidence something and let logic and science weigh in on it so you can show that you aren't being fallacious.

 

[Colter]

My claim that your system is a fallacy because you exclude it from all rules... is not a fallacy in itself. You are horribly confused.

No, it just rattles your infirm foundation. The "rules" of spirituality are for the spiritual realm....but you flat out deny it's existence. That would be like one denying the existence of the realm of science and it's "rules". If you ever were to be born of the spirit then the laws of spirit would be apparent to you.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Those are just the fears of the atheists conceited ego that hinds behind the claims of logic.

One can be a member of a Christian social club and not follow the law. Many professed Christians are actually secularists.

Are we to assume atheists don't break laws?

Establish that those Christians are not real Christians.

 

[Hikarifuru]

No, it just rattles your infirm foundation. The "rules" of spirituality are for the spiritual realm....but you flat out deny it's existence. That would be like one denying the existence of the realm of science and it's "rules". If you ever were to be born of the spirit then the laws of spirit would be apparent to you.

You need to establish, display and evidence this spiritual realm and truth before you have a right to compare it to a scientific field that is constantly being evaluated and logically tested by the best peer review. If you refuse to, you are being fallacious.

 

[Colter]

I have made no claim that atheism grants wisdom... you've made the claim that Christians have a spiritual wisdom.

I haven't hid behind anything... by all means establish your claims, right here. Go ahead I am waiting. I want you to actually display and evidence something and let logic and science weigh in on it so you can show that you aren't being fallacious.

The conceit of the average Atheist is built upon a common argument that because the spiritualist cannot prove his consciousness of spiritual realities then those do not exist. Its a form of a cop out, because you cannot explain how you know that we do not know.

 

[Hikarifuru]

The conceit of the average Atheist is built upon a common argument that because the spiritualist cannot prove his consciousness of spiritual realities then those do not exist. Its a form of a cop out, because you cannot explain how you know that we do not know.

Actually you've mistaken the claim that your ideas aren't logical or established or worthwhile because you cannot and will not establish them... for the claim that they could not be true. There are plenty of agnostic atheists who are undecided on the topic. Even Dawkins has said he cannot be sure that fairies don't live in the garden, but he's confident they do not.

 

[Colter]

Establish that those Christians are not real Christians.

If they are breaking the laws of man then they aren't doing the will of God which is the very foundation of the original gospel. Or one could certainly say t are falling short.

Do members of the club of scientist who use their education to blow themselves up into prideful balloons ever break the law?

 

[Hikarifuru]

The conceit of the average Atheist is built upon a common argument that because the spiritualist cannot prove his consciousness of spiritual realities then those do not exist. Its a form of a cop out, because you cannot explain how you know that we do not know.

again.... show your evidence and reason, establish something at least TRY TO or end this parade of foolishness and accept that you have a special pleading fallacy.

 

[Colter]

Actually you've mistaken the claim that your ideas aren't logical or established or worthwhile because you cannot and will not establish them... for the claim that they could not be true. There are plenty of agnostic atheists who are undecided on the topic. Even Dawkins has said he cannot be sure that fairies don't live in the garden, but he's confident they do not.

We live our ideas.

 

[Hikarifuru]

If they are breaking the laws of man then they aren't doing the will of God which is the very foundation of the original gospel. Or one could certainly say t are falling short.

Do members of the club of scientist who use their education to blow themselves up into prideful balloons ever break the law?

The bible is full of of men of god who committed sins and it even says all humans even Christians sin.... so no you haven't proven that they aren't Christians. Your bible insists that you will not stop sinning and no Christian will claim to have stopped sinning. Paul insisted that his flesh was present with him and that it prevented him from being the holy person he strived to be.

I never asserted that atheists don't break laws but there are definitely less of them being punished. You asserted that Christians are wise.

 

[Hikarifuru]

We live our ideas.

Are you trying to say this is evidence that your spiritual world is true?

 

[Wryetui]

We know that children need to be educated and we know what the word atheism means and we do know about theology. The bible is a very popular book and lots and lots of atheists use to be christians

We disagree on how theology is made, and if you think that reading the Bible once makes you a theologian you are far, far away, the Bible is completely nothing compared to theology. If someone lost their faith how can I trust him as a theologian? Loosing is faith only shows the incorrectitude and the impurity of their lives, not theology.

 

[Colter]

again.... show your evidence and reason, establish something at least TRY TO or end this parade of foolishness and accept that you have a special pleading fallacy.

Faith is the proof of religion. Reason is the proof of science.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Faith is the proof of religion. Reason is the proof of science.

uhm no.... just no.... your confidence is not the evidence of what you're confident in. Please stop....

 

[Colter]

Are you trying to say this is evidence that your spiritual world is true?

Its really the only way we can demonstrate the love of the God of our spiritual experience.

 

[Hikarifuru]

We disagree on how theology is made, and if you think that reading the Bible once makes you a theologian you are far, far away, the Bible is completely nothing compared to theology. If someone lost their faith how can I trust him as a theologian? Loosing is faith only shows the incorrectitude and the impurity of their lives, not theology.

I read it a lot actually, I was a preacher and a bible college student.

I don't need to be a theologian to discuss the nature of what these theologians say, especially when they resort to very common fallacies and nonsensical ideas like virgins having kids and donkeys talking to people and good gods sending rapists to rape women and burning humans alive.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Its really the only way we can demonstrate the love of the God of our spiritual experience.

That you love someone is not the question, that you exist is not the question.... that your spiritual realm exists is the question. You don't love people anymore than I do.

 

[Colter]

uhm no.... just no.... your confidence is not the evidence of what you're confident in. Please stop....

The spirit of truth is the conviction of truth, and no, we won't stop no matter how confident you may be in your mechanistic contentions.