The origins of atheism

[Archaeopteryx]

Through living experience, trial and error, through the discovery of "truth". The faith child who continually seeks the Father gets to know him better.

How is this truth established?

 

[Colter]

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The nature of reality and our planet and other planets is their field.

Most scientists are atheists you said this represented an agenda so no you dont regard them

I respect science based on the findings of their facts, not when they forsake the discipline of true science and make assertions of final value about the spiritual world.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I respect science based on the findings of their facts, not when they forsake the discipline of true science and make assertions of final value about the spiritual world.

Why should we accept assertions of "final value" on faith?

 

[Colter]

How is this truth established?

Living spiritual truth is experienced in the heart of the believer. But spiritual truth is not static, dead truth. It has a short shelf life once it's realized, experienced. God is the Living Truth, we continually replenish our souls by communing with the spirit.

 

[AV1611VET]

The bible is the claim not the evidence.

Yes.

The Bible is the claim, not the evidence.

You're the evidence.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Scientist are NOT experts on spirituality, science is the study of material facts, not spiritual truths. Religion and science are two different fields.

They are experts on claims about out world that spiritual people make.

Scientist are NOT experts on spirituality, science is the study of material facts, not spiritual truths. Religion and science are two different fields.

actually there are multiple scientific fields that address religions

 

[AV1611VET]

I think im about a 7 out of 10. Yeah

And are you an atheist?

If so, then put two and two together and see if you don't come up with 122.

Romans 1:22 to be exact.

 

[Colter]

Why should we accept assertions of "final value" on faith?

Being finite we have no choice other than to faith/trust the Infinite as the final value.

"God is the first truth and the last fact; therefore does all truth take origin in him, while all facts exist relative to him. God is absolute truth. As truth one may know God, but to understand—to explain—God, one must explore the fact of the universe of universes. The vast gulf between the experience of the truth of God and ignorance as to the fact of God can be bridged only by living faith. Reason alone cannot achieve harmony between infinite truth and universal fact."​

 

[Hikarifuru]

And are you an atheist?

If so, then put two and two together and see if you don't come up with 122.

Romans 1:22 to be exact.

The bible is the claim not the evidence

 

[AV1611VET]

The bible is the claim not the evidence

Again, in this case I agree.

The Bible is the claim, you're the evidence.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Again, in this case I agree.

The Bible is the claim, you're the evidence.

You are basing your conclusion that i evidence your theory on the bibles claim

 

[Eudaimonist]

Being finite we have no choice other than to faith/trust the Infinite as the final value.

But we do have a choice.

And what reason would we have to think that "the Infinite" is a final value? It would make more sense that something finite would be the final value of a finite being.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Colter]

They are experts on claims about out world that spiritual people make.

actually there are multiple scientific fields that address religions

You are referring to Atheistic science or pseudo-science. Like Dawkins, a blight in the field of true science, using science to buttress the doctrines of doubt, his Atheistic religion of sorts.

 

[Colter]

But we do have a choice.

And what reason would we have to think that "the Infinite" is a final value? It would make more sense that something finite would be the final value of a finite being.


eudaimonia,

Mark

If you were to acknowledge and honor your creator Father then again, you would have no choice. But the choice you speak of is the inherent choice of free will, it's the fundamental choice to disrespect your creator Father and destroy yourself.

* The same reason science rightly assumes cause and effect, the laws of the material world.

 

[Eudaimonist]

You are referring to Atheistic science or pseudo-science. Like Dawkins, a blight in the field of true science, using science to buttress the doctrines of doubt, his Atheistic religion of sorts.

Science isn't pseudo-science just because it doesn't support your theology.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[AV1611VET]

You are basing your conclusion that i evidence your theory on the bibles claim

That's right.

 

[Eudaimonist]

If you were to acknowledge and honor your creator Father then again, you would have no choice.

That is pretty much a tautology. If I believe, I would have no choice but to believe. That is true, but trivially so.

But the choice you speak of is the inherent choice of free will, it's the fundamental choice to disrespect your creator Father and destroy yourself.

You're just begging the question.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Colter]

Science isn't pseudo-science just because it doesn't support your theology.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Science is pseudo-science when the scientist leaves the discipline of fact finding and attempts to discredit spiritual truth through unsupported assertion. But to be fair the same is equally true for religion when it goes into science and try's to deny the finding of facts because those facts contradict for instance a young earth creation narrative.

 

[Colter]

That is pretty much a tautology. If I believe, I would have no choice but to believe. That is true, but trivially so.



You're just begging the question.


eudaimonia,

Mark

A child born into it's mothers arms and the preexisting universe of truths is subject to certain pre-established facts that supersede the child's wishes. We can cooperate or battle endlessly with the establishment, but none of that changes anything.

 

[ScottA]

God is a character in a book in reality. We can agree on that.

In your "dream." Look it up: Link