The origins of atheism

[Colter]

I think it is quite interesting that we here have ScottA and colter in the same thread, both promoting their claims of "truth" to the atheists... but manage to evade the elephant in the room: they both promote a contradicting truth.

But somehow it is the atheists fault when they cannot accept either as correct.

Spiritual Truth is not a "thing", it is not a formula, it cannot be forced into the material memory mold. Scott and I know the Living Truth which is the infinite God, yet we are finite children of God, each with our own unique vantage points and growing understanding. Spiritual truth is the Living Word.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Spiritual Truth is not a "thing", it is not a formula, it cannot be forced into the material memory mold. Scott and I know the Living Truth which is the infinite God, yet we are finite children of God, each with our own unique vantage points and growing understanding. Spiritual truth is the Living Word.

How does this understanding grow?

 

[Hikarifuru]

Atheism is a spiritual sickness, it eventuates in eternal death.

Haha... Thats like saying people who do math the best are sick.

 

[Hikarifuru]

That is why we say that science, atheistic science, has a decidedly atheist agenda.

This sort of thinking is why few intelligent people will take you seriously. Demons wont let your car start this morning?

 

[Wryetui]

Atheism is a word that describes every person that doesn't believe in a god, that includes babies. It is the starting place of all humans.

Confident and active atheists that assert that god is not or probably is not true exists because one day someone said "yeah.... that's not true... the spirit of the bear isn't real"

I think everyone is an atheist, I just believe in one less god than you do.

Besides the fact that there is nothing new in your words because all the atheists I met are parrots that have no idea about theology and just repeat things they read on the internet, you cannot bring proof of an afirmation like: "babies are born atheists" more than I can "babies are born theists". You do not know what is inside a baby's mind or soul and certainly you don't remember what it was on yours when you were one, so you can only talk of what you think or believe about.

 

[Colter]

How does this understanding grow?

Through living experience, trial and error, through the discovery of "truth". The faith child who continually seeks the Father gets to know him better.

 

[Colter]

This sort of thinking is why few intelligent people will take you seriously. Demons wont let your car start this morning?

Intelligence doesn't mean wise. Sometimes intellect gets in the way of spiritual perception and wisdom.

I don't believe demons exist anymore, when they did they were just fallen spirit like beings who became followers of Lucifer, chief atheist.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Intelligence doesn't mean wise. Sometimes intellect gets in the way of spiritual perception and wisdom.

I don't believe demons exist anymore, when they did they were just fallen spirit like beings who became followers of Lucifer, chief atheist.

It isnt wise to dismiss intelligent people in favor of spiritual theories based on special pleading fallacies or at all.

 

[KCfromNC]

You could try pinching yourself...but beware, the mind can have you believing that it actually hurts...and then what will you do?!

Life, this world, is not what it seems: this is the dream, and actual reality, only comes after you wake up.

OK, I pinched myself. What you're saying still makes zero sense. Now what?

 

[Hikarifuru]

Besides the fact that there is nothing new in your words because all the atheists I met are parrots that have no idea about theology and just repeat things they read on the internet, you cannot bring proof of an afirmation like: "babies are born atheists" more than I can "babies are born theists". You do not know what is inside a baby's mind or soul and certainly you don't remember what it was on yours when you were one, so you can only talk of what you think or believe about.

We know that children need to be educated and we know what the word atheism means and we do know about theology. The bible is a very popular book and lots and lots of atheists use to be christians

 

[KCfromNC]

Besides the fact that there is nothing new in your words because all the atheists I met are parrots that have no idea about theology

Actual research disagrees : http://www.pewforum.org/2010/09/28/u-s-religious-knowledge-survey/

 

[Colter]

It isnt wise to dismiss intelligent people in favor of spiritual theories based on special pleading fallacies or at all.

I don't dismiss intelligent people in their field, not at all, I have great respect for true science and intelligence. But when they wonder out of their field and make assertions based on ignorance then I will disagree with them as they are no longer true scientist.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Intelligence doesn't mean wise. Sometimes intellect gets in the way of spiritual perception and wisdom.

I don't believe demons exist anymore, when they did they were just fallen spirit like beings who became followers of Lucifer, chief atheist.

To argue that you are more wise than people much more intelligent than you is silly especially when its a topic they spent years learning and you did not. Scientists are the experts not supposedly wise sheep herders who NEED a god to help them cope with their ignorance

 

[AV1611VET]

The bible is a very popular book and lots and lots of atheists use to be christians

Thus demonstrating the consequences of Paul's warning:

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Somewhere along the line, they bought into the philosophy that they were "wise men" (Homo sapiens) from birth.

 

[Hikarifuru]

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I don't dismiss intelligent people in their field, not at all, I have great respect for true science and intelligence. But when they wonder out of their field and make assertions based on ignorance then I will disagree with them as they are no longer true scientist.

The nature of reality and our planet and other planets is their field.

Most scientists are atheists you said this represented an agenda so no you dont regard them

 

[AV1611VET]

To argue that you are more wise than people much more intelligent than you is silly especially when its a topic they spent years learning and you did not. Scientists are the experts not supposedly wise sheep herders who NEED a god to help them cope with their ignorance

Are you wise?

 

[Hikarifuru]

Thus demonstrating the consequences of Paul's warning:

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Somewhere along the line, they bought into the philosophy that they were "wise men" (Homo sapiens) from birth.

The bible is the claim not the evidence. Anyone could say "anyone who
disagrees with me for intellectual reasons becomes a fool" duh

 

[Hikarifuru]

Are you wise?

I think im about a 7 out of 10. Yeah

 

[SteveB28]

Besides the fact that there is nothing new in your words because all the atheists I met are parrots that have no idea about theology and just repeat things they read on the internet, you cannot bring proof of an afirmation like: "babies are born atheists" more than I can "babies are born theists". You do not know what is inside a baby's mind or soul and certainly you don't remember what it was on yours when you were one, so you can only talk of what you think or believe about.

Well, it certainly seems that babies know nothing about gods until someone indoctrinates them with a particular belief.

Why else do we find that Muslims tend to come from Islamic communities, Christians from Christian ones and so on?

 

[Colter]

To argue that you are more wise than people much more intelligent than you is silly especially when its a topic they spent years learning and you did not. Scientists are the experts not supposedly wise sheep herders who NEED a god to help them cope with their ignorance

Scientist are NOT experts on spirituality, science is the study of material facts, not spiritual truths. Religion and science are two different fields.