The origins of atheism

[David Colin Gould]

If I may...

The problem with that position, is that it is a closed-circuit. This same mistake was made by the Church, not willing to cross the ocean sea and leave behind the known world.

What I was talking about was that he cannot assume the conclusion in his premise.
Thus, he cannot say:
P1: "The Universe is a creation."
P2: "Creations require a creator."
C "Thus, the universe requires a creator."

 

[ecco]

ecco said: ↑

• One premise is that god is eternal.
• A second premise (based on christian belief) is that the world is less than 20 billion years old.
• A third premise is that eternity is a lot longer than 20 billion years.

Therefore, a curious person would ask: What did god do for 99.999999999+% of his existence before he created "The Heavens And The Earth"?

From the perspective of light, it experiences 0 time.

God can be thought of as both experiencing eternity as well as 0 time, this is why he's God and we're not. We only experience time as past, present and future.

Is that just off the top of your head? Did you make that up by yourself or is there some sort of evidence out there somewhere?

But for the sake of discussion, when he experienced 0 time he had zero time to do anything. OK

What was he doing when he was experiencing eternity time? Did he make other universes? Did he make ours over and over until he got this one right?




Edited to correct spelling.

 

[ecco]

Atheism is the lack of belief in God.

Yeah!! Finally. A theist who understands atheism!

Jesus says it perfectly, those that don't believe in God, are already damned.

John 3:18KJV not the fake asv.

Condemned - Judged No biggie. I'm OK with either one.
However...
http://biblehub.com/text/john/3-18.htm
κρίνεται· is judged
κέκριται, has been judged

But, it really doesn't matter to this atheist that the alleged son of a magical man in the sky judges or condemns me.

I would think that you don't really care that Allah feels the same way about a good christian like you.

 

[Davian]

Atheism is the lack of belief in God. Jesus says it perfectly, those that don't believe in God, are already damned.

Does your theology hold people accountable for things beyond their conscious control?

 

[Davian]

-Multiple Duplicate Comments-

Multiple failures at addressing them.

 

[Chriliman]

Is that just off the top of your head? Did you make that up by yourself or is there some sort of evidence out there somewhere?

Sorry, I assumed by now many people would know that from a photon's perspective, no time passes.

Read about it here, there may be better sources, but this was a quick one I found.
http://www.askamathematician.com/20...oesnt-experience-time-then-how-can-it-travel/

But for the sake of discussion, when he experienced 0 time he had zero time to do anything. OK

It's more like God sees what we all did yesterday and today and tomorrow all in one moment of timelessness. We are still free to make choices, but He can see every choice ever made because He doesn't move along the timeline like we do. He's outside the timeline seeing the beginning and the end all at once.

Consider this, light does not experience time like we do, but it still has a major affect on our reality, it allows us to see. God works in the same way, He doesn't experience time like we do, but He has an affect on our reality, He reveals truth to us. But just like we have to willingly open our eyes to see the light, we also have to willingly open our hearts and minds to see the truth of God.

What was he doing when he was experiencing eternity time? Did he make other universes? Did he make ours over and over intil he got this one right?

He was and is and will be eternal existence. The limits of what God can create are endless, I'm just glad I'll live forever to be able to see all of His creation and rest in His satisfaction of completing His perfect creation.

The opposite side of what God is creating, is what He is destroying. What God is destroying will also be unending, but completely separate from what He is creating.

 

[Davian]

God is omnipresent. His kingdom, is his domain, where he is king. The confusion, is he has cast all of humanity out of his kingdom. This world is not his kingdom. He is present, but unless we return to him

How do you 'return' to something that is 'omnipresent'?

...it is we who are not present in his domain/kingdom. We return to him by the prescribed method and exception to the death sentence we have in this world: Jesus and the salvation story, is God's amnesty program. It was Jesus who said the kingdom of God is within us, and he explains that within us we must be born again of the spirit of God, which we do by accepting the salvation of Christ/Jesus. He paid the penalty for our death sentence here on earth, that we may not just die an organic death, but live on in the spirit of God, as a new [born again] creation. The universe has no other purpose.

 

[Davian]

The Flintstones, on the other hand, was more accurate (and less propaganda), as it showed man and dinosaur cohabiting in harmony.

rotflmao

• Davian
• Sep 26, 2015

 

[Davian]

The Flintstones, on the other hand, was more accurate (and less propaganda), as it showed man and dinosaur cohabiting in harmony.

Texas Evolution and Flintstones

• Davian
• Sep 26, 2015
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[ecco]

ecco:

No UFO's in the UB?
<snip>
But somehow your "Adam & Eve" get from one place in space to a different place in space.
Oooops, I'm wrong again. I just did a little further reading: (my emphasis)

51:2.2 Adams and Eves are semimaterial creatures and, as such, are not transportable by seraphim. They mustundergo dematerialization on the system capital before they can be enseraphimed for transport to the world of assignment. The transport seraphim are able to effect such changes in the Material Sons and in other semimaterial beings as enable them to be enseraphimed and thus to be transported through space from one world or system to another. About three days of standard time are consumed in this transport preparation, and it requires the co-operation of a Life Carrier to restore such a dematerialized creature to normal existence upon arrival at the end of the seraphic-transport journey.
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It's more like a Star Trek "beam them over" concept. But then, how does the Life Carrier get here?
No sci-fi stuff there huh? Are you sure L. Ron Hubbard didn't write the Blue Book?

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Re read my post , I said no "UFO's"

Whoa. Slow down Colter. Did you not read my post down through and beyond my admitted "Oooops, I'm wrong again"? I quoted the entire 51:2.2 from the Blue Book to show you that I understand how the Adams and Eves got from one place to another.

Life carriers would use transport personalities. There are techniques for dematerialization such as in Star Trek.

Yeah. I got it:

51:2.2 ... it requires the co-operation of a Life Carrier to restore such a dematerialized creature to normal existence upon arrival at the end of the seraphic-transport journey.
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Maybe I'm being too picky, but that should read "dematerialized creatures" since both an Adam and an Eve made the journey.

It may be somewhere else in the Blue Book, but 51:2.2 doesn't address how the Life Carrier got to the arrival point to restore such dematerialized creature(s). (I did ask you that question in my above quoted post):

"But then, how does the Life Carrier get here?" ​

I think that's an important consideration and deserving of an answer.

Gene Roddenberry was a life long reader of the Urantia Book, that is where he extracted a number of his ideas.

There sure is lotsa good stuff in there which is why I asked: "Are you sure L. Ron Hubbard didn't write the Blue Book?" However, after more reflection, Hubbard wasn't on the level of the writers of the Blue Book. Maybe he was a reader and got a lot of good ideas on how to start a big religion.

 

[Davian]

Sorry, I assumed by now many people would know that from a photon's perspective, no time passes.

Read about it here, there may be better sources, but this was a quick one I found.
http://www.askamathematician.com/20...oesnt-experience-time-then-how-can-it-travel/



It's more like God sees what we all did yesterday and today and tomorrow all in one moment of timelessness. We are still free to make choices, but He can see every choice ever made because He doesn't move along the timeline like we do. He's outside the timeline seeing the beginning and the end all at once.

So you are portraying your "god" like a bug embedded in amber.

Consider this, light does not experience time like we do, but it still has a major affect on our reality, it allows us to see.

Only those photons that are absorbed by the chemicals in our respective retinas.

God works in the same way, <snip unscientific gibberish>

Just not in any way that you can demonstrate.

 

[aus22]

No one has found a trace of a human the same age as a dinosaur. This does not prove they did not live together but as yet there is no proof

 

[AV1611VET]

Does your theology hold people accountable for things beyond their conscious control?

No.

 

[AV1611VET]

* Poll: 30% of Texans believe humans and dinosaurs lived together. *

Looks like 70% of Texans need a proper education.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I've answered your questions as far as I remember. Did I miss one?

No, you didn't.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

No, that's philosophy...or perhaps, The Secret is like (a counterfeit) of the truth of God.

How do we establish whether that is true?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Atheism is the lack of belief in God. Jesus says it perfectly, those that don't believe in God, are already damned.

John 3:18KJV not the fake asv.

Why should someone be damned for nonbelief?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

1. If an adult answers coherently to a baby, but the baby does not understand. Should the adult speak baby talk, or wait until the baby matures? Meanwhile, your crying is just annoying.

Your awful penchant for condescension is annoying.

 

[Davian]

No.

So my lack of belief in gods is not an issue in your theology. Here I was thinking otherwise.

 

[Davian]

Looks like 70% of Texans need a proper education.

That's why I come here. Where else will you see someone recommend a proper education, and by that they mean watch a 50-year-old animated television sitcom?