[PERMANENTLY CLOSED] Dead children go straight to heaven

[SteveB28]

You are ignorant and arrogant. It is people like you that bring great violence on others.

For having an opinion!?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Surely you are doing this deliberately?

The reason that he could not act is because, it is claimed, he is "outside of time."

And action requires time.

Are any of these words registering with you?

Are you familiar with Christianity? Do you think that something that God created would prohibit Him from acting in the universe He created? Time only exists in the universe because God created it. Now if you think there is some valid reason that God is prohibited from acting in His own creation, provide it.

 

[Phenotype]

And if matter ever reaches the speed of light, it stops or fly's apart, time ceases to exist, according to Einstien, right?

So it would be necessary to put on spirit bodies and abandon material bodies, to traverse at or beyond the speed of light...

God Bless!

The 'God bless!' bit is called passive-aggressive. You would do well to leave that out. It gives you away.

Having to or wantonly wanting to endorse, and to atheists the fanciful and superstitious notion of spirit bodies subjects you to cognitive dissonance, hence I suspect that's why you hastily added the 'God bless!' bit.

It will never go away until you put it behind you.

 

[Oncedeceived]

For having an opinion!?

Of course not.

Surely you are doing this deliberately?

The reason that he could not act is because, it is claimed, he is "outside of time."

And action requires time.

Are any of these words registering with you?

If God moves within the universe He is acting with time.

 

[SteveB28]

Of course not.

If God moves within the universe He is acting with time.

Exactly! So glad you agree. Please join with me then, in informing our befuddled friend that he is making ridiculous statements when he asserts that an actor in this universe can be "outside of time"!

 

[Oncedeceived]

Exactly! So glad you agree. Please join with me then, in informing our befuddled friend that he is making ridiculous statements when he asserts that an actor in this universe can be "outside of time"!

I am claiming the same. You have not given any reason that God would be prohibited acting in the universe.

 

[Phenotype]

You are ignorant and arrogant. It is people like you that bring great violence on others.

Do I detect a hysterical edge to this reactionary tirade oncedeceived?

Oncedeceived's sandpit.

Now you have to read, The Better Angel's of Our Nature, a history of violence and humanity, Steven Pinker. But then how could you focus on reading through a 1000 page book such as Angels and engage with it when you are implicitly hostile and prejudiced toward it?

On the Abraham thing. Do you ever read any 'scholarly' books or articles which are not out to verify the Bible, on theology and history? The Christian bookshop is full of such books and no other material, that's all there are.

Pretty violent, the Bible, plenty of the sordid and barbarity is thematic. But them's the times in Mesopotamia going back about 100 thousand years, since the emergence out of Africa and well before. Humans are fascinated with violence. The males, that is.

Impartial scholarship, simply letting the evidence speak, inducing the best account from it, applying methodology to critiquing ancient documents, it's all freely available in books and in articles on the interwebz.

You just have to look for it and access it. But you have to want to and that means wanting to be informed and not misled anymore.

And wanting to mislead and inure whoever else you can.

The faith virus.

 

[Phenotype]

I am claiming the same. You have not given any reason that God would be prohibited acting in the universe.

God is merely a proposition. It is indefensible.

 

[Phenotype]

Don't tell me what I would do. Who are you to tell anyone what their morality should be? You pronounce judgement on others and then claim they do it. Your "new" religion is like all those that have come before, Christianity will stand as it always has.

Where are you at with homosexuality, gay rights, adultery, euthanasia and abortion?

 

[Phenotype]

For having an opinion!?

I guess we are the catalyst that makes them go ballistic and start slaughtering each other but are united in eradicating atheists.

That's the Bible, that's the Inquisitions, that's the Koran, that's ISIS and states like Saudi Arabia and Egypt today.

Yep, just for having an opinion.

 

[super animator]

I do indeed have familiarity with atheist forums.

I never said anything about atheist forums. Try to read more carefully.

Ones where one can make an idiot of oneself making claims which are mere conjecture. Try and defend God and that on one I engage on and see how long you can survive it.

Bet you feel so intellectually superior with all that gloating.

Atheism has a big future. Religion has passed its expiry date. It is necrotic but it will take a long time to be pretty much relegated to history, Christianity that is. Then, eventually, Islam.

Necrotic from what? Don't say reasoning, as neurology doesn't work like that.

 

[SteveB28]

I am claiming the same. You have not given any reason that God would be prohibited acting in the universe.

You are claiming that God exists "outside of time", while simultaneously holding that he works "within time."

Well done. That piece of double talk has reached new heights of achievement.

You should feel very pleased with yourself.

 

[ScottA]

And action requires time.

"It is finished." John 19:30 Thus, the Time argument...is void.

Are any of these words registering with you?

"It is finished." ...Is this registering with you ('cause it is not with most Christians, and requires some knowledge of science)?

 

[bhsmte]

You are claiming that God exists "outside of time", while simultaneously holding that he works "within time."

Well done. That piece of double talk has reached new heights of achievement.

You should feel very pleased with yourself.

It is basically special pleading; God can do whatever he wants. You know, stuff like; God is the first cause and everything needs a first cause, except God.

 

[Davian]

This is ironic, because if God does not exist then it really doesn't matter if I'm delusional. If God does exist then it should really matter to you if you're the delusional one here.

Scare tactic fail. I have seen no reason to be concerned.

Why do you assume I havn't already done all that? In fact I have and I've determined what the truth is.

Indeed, but your opinion may not be an accurate description of reality.

Please stop being so condescending. You make it difficult to respect what you say when you have a condescending tone.

 

[ScottA]

God is merely a proposition. It is indefensible.

On these forums, the reality of God is considered a fact, not to be questioned, discounted, or attacked. Your comment is out of line.

 

[Davian]

Why would my delusion matter to you, if the only reason you consider me delusional is because I believe in God? By not believing in God you're taking away the only meaning behind my delusion, therefore, it would be impossible for my delusion to actually matter to you because you don't believe in the very reason for my delusion.

Therefore, according to your non-belief in God, you also have non-belief in my delusion, rendering me not delusional, according to you.

In other words, according to your non-belief in God, God must not be real, therefore my delusion must not be real. Do you understand?

Your delusion does not matter to me. However, there are individuals that wish to promote their beliefs as fact in our government, school systems, and to my children, and as those beliefs appear to be based on a delusion, part of why I am here is to interact with religionists, to see if they can respond with more than circular reasoning and condescending tones.

 

[Davian]

On these forums, the reality of God is considered a fact, not to be questioned, discounted, or attacked. Your comment is out of line.

Which "God"? The "God" that allegedly walked and talked in a garden that has no evidence of having existed, poofed people and animals into existence, and later, in a manner contrary to the modern understanding of genetics, populated the planet with a tiny group of individuals and animals that survived a global flood in an unbuildable boat, a flood that killed the dinosaurs in a manner that only *appears* to be 65 million years ago, because the Earth is really only somehow 6000 years old, yet remains, by every object measure to date indistinguishable from nothing?

I am comfortable in saying that that particular deity is only a character in a book. Not a "fact", as you would say.

 

[Davian]

Let's take this one by one then. Do I believe in the Christian God who walked and talked in the garden...yes. Does He have evidence to support His existence...yes. Did He poof people and animals into existence...yes. Did animals just poof into existence...I don't believe that is how He created them. There is evidence that at one time 95 percent of all living things died. There are differing explanation but no direct evidence of how. Did people just poof into existence...I don't believe that is how He created them. Genetics shows that actually all women alive today can trace their DNA back to a women living in the area of what is thought to have been where Eden was suppose to be and all men living today can trace their DNA to a man living in the area thought to have been where Eden was suppose to be. I don't have any belief about the flood killing dino's and I am not a YEC. Perhaps that makes it a little clearer, as to my position.

No literal Adam and Eve? No literal global flood killing everyone but those on that unbuildable boat? Those stories are myth?

 

[Chriliman]

Your delusion does not matter to me. However, there are individuals that wish to promote their beliefs as fact in our government, school systems, and to my children, and as those beliefs appear to be based on a delusion, part of why I am here is to interact with religionists, to see if they can respond with more than circular reasoning and condescending tones.

So apparently my "delusion" does matter to you? Even though you just claimed it does not matter to you in the beginning of your post. What if Christian beliefs could solve all the problems in government and school systems? What if the only reason their are problems is because people don't hold christian values, in other words people don't live like Christ lived. Notice I'm saying "what if", meaning I just want you to really think it through.