[PERMANENTLY CLOSED] Dead children go straight to heaven

[Neogaia777]

What!?

Light consists of waves of particles, IN MOTION!

Motion requires the PASSAGE OF TIME!

That was a very poor attempt to avoid the question.

And if matter ever reaches the speed of light, it stops or fly's apart, time ceases to exist, according to Einstien, right?

So it would be necessary to put on spirit bodies and abandon material bodies, to traverse at or beyond the speed of light...

God Bless!

 

[Oncedeceived]

OK. What time frame is that and do you have a citation so I can look at their studies?

https://answersingenesis.org/bible-timeline/abraham-and-the-chronology-of-ancient-mesopotamia/

Sorry I thought I supplied this with the quote.

 

[SteveB28]

And if matter ever reaches the speed of light, it stops or fly's apart, time ceases to exist, according to Einstien, right?

So it would be necessary to put on spirit bodies and abandon material bodies, to traverse at or beyond the speed of light...

God Bless!

How does any of this even remotely relate to a being existing "outside of time", but capable of acting INSIDE our universe?

 

[SteveB28]

I suppose I do need to read back to see exactly what he is claiming but as far as God being "in" time, that is nonsense.

If he is not within our framework, which includes the dimension of time, then he can perform no action here - including the action of existing!

Chriliman repeatedly claims that your God is "outside of time".

 

[Oncedeceived]

If he is not within our framework, which includes the dimension of time, then he can perform no action here - including the action of existing!

Chriliman repeatedly claims that your God is "outside of time".

He is outside of the universe. You are not making any sense. What prohibits Him from taking action in the universe?

 

[SteveB28]

He is outside of the universe. You are not making any sense. What prohibits Him from taking action in the universe?

Because any action within this universe must involve the dimension of time. It is claimed by our confused friend that God exists "outside of time". This would mean that he was incapable of interaction within this universe.

Now, this should be the point wherein you attempt to inject some magic.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Because any action within this universe must involve the dimension of time. It is claimed by our confused friend that God exists "outside of time". This would mean that he was incapable of interaction within this universe.

Now, this should be the point wherein you attempt to inject some magic.

What prohibits God from interacting within the universe?

 

[SteveB28]

What prohibits God from interacting within the universe?

By being "outside of time". Please pay attention. Within THIS universe, the dimension of time is interwoven with action. If it is claimed that an entity is "outside" this dimension, how can it act WITHIN THIS UNIVERSE?

 

[Oncedeceived]

By being "outside of time". Please pay attention. Within THIS universe, the dimension of time is interwoven with action. If it is claimed that an entity is "outside" this dimension, how can it act WITHIN THIS UNIVERSE?

You are claiming that God existing outside of the universe is some how prohibited from working within it. How is He prohibited from doing so?

 

[ScottA]

By being "outside of time". Please pay attention. Within THIS universe, the dimension of time is interwoven with action. If it is claimed that an entity is "outside" this dimension, how can it act WITHIN THIS UNIVERSE?

Hahaha...that is a good point. But not because it is correct, but because it shows this universe as NOT being a dimension. And if not a dimension...then what? You may have just come to the one card that brings the house down.

 

[SteveB28]

You are claiming that God existing outside of the universe is some how prohibited from working within it. How is He prohibited from doing so?

You really don't pay attention do you?

I am making no such claim. Mr Chriliman makes the claim that God is "outside TIME". Do you see that?

IF that is what he claims, then God can perform no action WITHIN THIS UNIVERSE, as 'time' is integral to any action WITHIN THIS UNIVERSE. I can make it no clearer.

 

[SteveB28]

Hahaha...that is a good point. But not because it is correct, but because it shows this universe as NOT being a dimension. And if not a dimension...then what? You may have just come to the one card that brings the house down.

Oh my.

Another who throws a group of words together in the hope that they make sense.

 

[Phenotype]

It's interesting that you spend the time talking about atheists and christians in third-person like a pastor would.
Also

You should lurk through the internet more often as that statement is hysterically funny to me.

I do indeed have familiarity with atheist forums. Ones where one can make an idiot of oneself making claims which are mere conjecture. Try and defend God and that on one I engage on and see how long you can survive it.

There have been various suggestions vetted to identify what I am alluding to.

Richard Dawkins would like to call us 'Brights,' which is a bit of a cringe and hasn't been taken up. 'New Atheism' has some tacit currency. The fact is, something rather historical is afoot. The new wave of public atheists over the last decade is just that, new.

Atheism has a big future. Religion has passed its expiry date. It is necrotic but it will take a long time to be pretty much relegated to history, Christianity that is. Then, eventually, Islam.

 

[Phenotype]

You are so blinded by your bigotry you have paranoia. You don't understand Christians and hold a skewed view of Christianity as a whole.

You pronounce on personal and public morality. You would be outlawing and banning behaviour and even thinking, if you could.

 

[Phenotype]

Yes. However:

Studies in ancient chronology now show that the life of Abraham was concurrent with the Early Dynastic Period in Mesopotamia, the Early Dynastic and Old Kingdoms in Egypt, and the Ebla Empire in Syria. The evidence related to Genesis 14 and Sodom and Gomorrah also supports the conclusion that Abraham lived during the Early Bronze Age/Early Dynastic Period. Understanding that Abraham lived during the Early Bronze Age/Early Dynastic Period allows us to more clearly understand the cultural background of the Genesis narratives. It also provides creationist historians and archaeologists with an anchor point for studying the rich pre-Abrahamic period of the Ancient Near East.

Is this offered as some kind of substantiation that Abraham actually did exist? It is the foundation of Jewish propaganda mythology about them being the chosen people of monotheism about Jahweh, the god that got lucky.

The polygamy of those times is interesting and which I do not doubt obtained, for those 'big men' who could lay claim to more than one woman. Monogamy has been the rule on sexual congress only since Christianity.

 

[Oncedeceived]

You really don't pay attention do you?

I am making no such claim. Mr Chriliman makes the claim that God is "outside TIME". Do you see that?

IF that is what he claims, then God can perform no action WITHIN THIS UNIVERSE, as 'time' is integral to any action WITHIN THIS UNIVERSE. I can make it no clearer.

No, you are asserting that God can not perform within the universe without giving any reason that would prohibit Him from doing so. What would prohibit God from doing so?

 

[Oncedeceived]

You pronounce on personal and public morality. You would be outlawing and banning behaviour and even thinking, if you could.

Don't tell me what I would do. Who are you to tell anyone what their morality should be? You pronounce judgement on others and then claim they do it. Your "new" religion is like all those that have come before, Christianity will stand as it always has.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Is this offered as some kind of substantiation that Abraham actually did exist? It is the foundation of Jewish propaganda mythology about them being the chosen people of monotheism about Jahweh, the god that got lucky.

The polygamy of those times is interesting and which I do not doubt obtained, for those 'big men' who could lay claim to more than one woman. Monogamy has been the rule on sexual congress only since Christianity.

You are ignorant and arrogant. It is people like you that bring great violence on others.

 

[SteveB28]

No, you are asserting that God can not perform within the universe without giving any reason that would prohibit Him from doing so. What would prohibit God from doing so?

Surely you are doing this deliberately?

The reason that he could not act is because, it is claimed, he is "outside of time."

And action requires time.

Are any of these words registering with you?

 

[SteveB28]

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