Sexism and Religion

[daydreamergurl15]

Really??? Even from reputable sources like Time, NYTimes and Forbes, they could present skewed information?

I couldn't find one either. I did read way back due to the controversial nature of the research, there's not much done in that direction.

It's like nobody wants to find out who's the more intelligent gender. One experiment was conducted in dogs and female dogs are the ones who scored higher in the tests involved.

in Scientific circles, Times, NYTimes and Forbes are not considered reputable sources.

 

[daydreamergurl15]

I can't speak for other religions, but as a Christian I feel like people worry so much about the gender and less about "keep My commandments". I feel like people elevate the leadership role that God has given us, Elders, so much as if being a leader is "better than" and not realizing that Christ ask us to be a "slave" to each other. It doesn't matter what we feel that man or woman can do, it is about being obedient to the One who have asked us to be servants. Christ came, as a humble servant, and we are asked to be.

We are so focused and saying "I can do anything you can do better" not realizing that the vision that God is trying to accomplish is not the same vision that we are trying to do. It is not God who is trying to elevate either man or woman, for we are all one in Christ, for those who are in Christ, it is about glorifying God in a way that pleases God.

 

[timewerx]

I feel like people elevate the leadership role that God has given us, Elders, so much as if being a leader is "better than" and not realizing that Christ ask us to be a "slave" to each other.

Slave? Read John 15:15.

"Slave" is just a personal sentiment of some of the disciples. Not necessarily true. The disciples of Christ suddenly did not become perfect after Jesus left them physically. They still committed mistakes, they still argued, and some even had friction with each other. Just the fact they argued and had friction meant they had differing ideas. One or both of them is likely to be mistaken. Also Christ that we are to be more righteous than scribes. That just compounds the errancy of any religious material.

How do we discern what is really true? First you must have love, second, an astute powers of observation, and wisdom to deduce what you have observed.

And what do we have? Some things are just not true indeed.... Especially when one thing is claimed but only manifests one times out of ten even if all requirements has been fulfilled.

Maybe there is a modern conspiracy to favor women in the modern age. Maybe because people are just starting to get tired of the violence and wars mostly perpetrated by men.

 

[MehGuy]

That is correct. The Feminist attack on the Bible began in the 60s and accused God of promoting patriarchy, with patriarchy having a negative connotation. What Christians should be fully aware of is that Feminism is essentially rebellion against God and His design for men and women. Therefore Feminists also worship the universal "Goddess Mother", which is Satan's substitute for the one true and living God. This Goddess Mother is to be found in every pagan religion since the tower of Babel. The only problem is that this Goddess Mother is pretty ugly.

How dog faced is the mother goddess?

 

[awitch]

How dog faced is the mother goddess?

Not at all, really.

 

[MehGuy]

Not at all, really.

But he said she's hideous. And apparently that's a reason not to like her, lol.

 

[awitch]

But he said she's hideous. And apparently that's a reason not to like her, lol.

That's ok. People don't have to like her. I mean, it's not like she's going to punish anyone for all eternity for not believing in her or anything.

 

[timewerx]

I don't know how men ruling is so much better than if things are made equal.

There's undeniable statistics that in USA prisons for example, 90% of the total incarcerated population are males, and it has so consistently since record-keeping began in the early 1900's.

Therefore, men has greater propensity for lawlessness. And yet we find it better to keep such walking time bombs in charge through stereotypes or whatever. I think that's very stupid. And isn't lawlessness badly frowned upon in the Bible??

Is "the man of lawlessness" simply the collective nature of man?? The basic instinct of men which makes them more likely to violate the law, and end up in prison 9 times out of 10 when compared to women.

 

[daydreamergurl15]

Slave? Read John 15:15.

"Slave" is just a personal sentiment of some of the disciples. Not necessarily true. The disciples of Christ suddenly did not become perfect after Jesus left them physically. They still committed mistakes, they still argued, and some even had friction with each other. Just the fact they argued and had friction meant they had differing ideas. One or both of them is likely to be mistaken. Also Christ that we are to be more righteous than scribes. That just compounds the errancy of any religious material.

How do we discern what is really true? First you must have love, second, an astute powers of observation, and wisdom to deduce what you have observed.

And what do we have? Some things are just not true indeed.... Especially when one thing is claimed but only manifests one times out of ten even if all requirements has been fulfilled.

Maybe there is a modern conspiracy to favor women in the modern age. Maybe because people are just starting to get tired of the violence and wars mostly perpetrated by men.

Not sure what this is all about but I was referring to Mark 9:35.

 

[Job8]

How dog faced is the mother goddess?

I was going to attach a picture, but changed my mind. Check Wikipedia for pictures.

 

[awitch]

I was going to attach a picture, but changed my mind. Check Wikipedia for pictures.

 

[Job8]

I don't know how men ruling is so much better than if things are made equal.

Who's going to make "things equal"? Hillary Clinton? Here's a woman who could have proved something on behalf of women, but all she has done is tell lies and abuse her power to the detriment of her country. Is that what we should expect when women are given power? How come she is not behind bars already? And the two other FEMALES who are complicit. There's reverse sexism for you all the way through. Had Hillary been a man, no one would have cut him any slack. And had he been a Republican to boot, he would already have been hung, drawn, and quartered (by the media, if nothing else).

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Subordination of position does not imply inferiority of nature.

Feminism errs in assuming that it does.

Islam, in its view of women, likewise errs in assuming that it does.

They differ in that they follow that same premise to different conclusions.

 

[timewerx]

Who's going to make "things equal"? Hillary Clinton? Here's a woman who could have proved something on behalf of women, but all she has done is tell lies and abuse her power to the detriment of her country. Is that what we should expect when women are given power? How come she is not behind bars already? And the two other FEMALES who are complicit. There's reverse sexism for you all the way through. Had Hillary been a man, no one would have cut him any slack. And had he been a Republican to boot, he would already have been hung, drawn, and quartered (by the media, if nothing else).

That's because she used the system of man (that's been around for thousands of years) to get things done.

It's a corrupt system that ultimately corrupts people within it, regardless of gender.

You cannot use a corrupt system to fight itself.

It just wasn't her time.

 

[timewerx]

Subordination of position does not imply inferiority of nature.

Feminism errs in assuming that it does.

Islam, in its view of women, likewise errs in assuming that it does.

They differ in that they follow that same premise to different conclusions.

Esoterically-speaking that is true.

What doesn't kill only makes you stronger. Adversities build muscles and neurons.

When the flood came, you will remain standing but the rest swept away. I think we ought to be scared into action instead of being complicit with our corrupt authorities about it.

 

[timewerx]

How dog faced is the mother goddess?

Is that a compliment? I think some dogs look better than a lot of people.

The anointed woman of Revelations has her character connected to a dog and also demonized in others.

There is a war of disinformation going around. With evil ruling our world, 1 John 5:19, I think we could expect that popular ideas are often a lie!

 

[TheDag]

It's like nobody wants to find out who's the more intelligent gender. One experiment was conducted in dogs and female dogs are the ones who scored higher in the tests involved.

Really who cares? It is not an important question. I personally don't think very much of the whole IQ testing. Why because it is nowhere near as important as personality quotient. Intelligence really means very little if you have no common sense. Take my brother for example. At school came in top 500 in the state (around 30,000 students) and at Uni high distinction with honours. Early in his working career as an engineer a electrical cable came undone and he went to grab them and join them together. It was only his coworker who just happened to walk into the room grabbing him and pulling him back that stopped him from connecting with 40,000 volts of electricity. Or one night just after I had started on new medication I woke up struggling to breathe. I went to my brothers room just across the hallway and asked him to get mum who was a trained nurse as I was struggling to breathe. His response was to ask me what I would do if mum wasn't there. While that is an excellent question it was not the right time to be asking that. No common sense. No people skills. Great academically and has done well in IQ tests but clueless in other ways. For the majority of jobs the personality would be far more important as anyone can learn them. Yes there are jobs where you must have training but for quite a number of them you don't need to be that gifted to complete the training.

 

[TheDag]

None of these contain a link to a scientific study. When it comes to these things I like to read the methodology used, the sample size, and that kind of thing. I've often found problems with studies or someone being interviewed skewing the results.

and not only that but several of the articles provided stated that they do not support timewerx claim as there were other reasons why those situations existed. So no nothing is proven from those links.

In response to the Summers controversy, she published an essay in The Washington Post describing her gradual realization that women were leaving the profession not because they weren’t gifted but because of the “slow drumbeat of being underappreciated, feeling uncomfortable and encountering roadblocks along the path to success.”

The thing I find interesting about this statement is that it happens in pretty much every single large organization.
just in case this is from the article linked by timewerx.

 

[TheDag]

Apparently feminism and atheism were closely associated at the beginning of the 20th century. Feminists must have viewed religion as sexist at that time.

Today we have Islam that is sexist in some countries. I've also heard that Hinduism is somewhat sexist.

It's hard to say if the religions are inherently sexist though. Modern Christianity isn't very sexist in most forms.

and christians were involved in the beginning of feminism as well as workers rights and other similar social justice issues. I think they at times the church actually went backwards.

 

[TheDag]

Ahh.. So what do you think about it?

I have held 4 jobs so far, been under 6 managers, 3 from the same company (in two different countries) that is a large multinational one that made it to a couple Forbes record list.

5 out of 6 managers I had were women. In one company where my manager is a man, well that's because, the company is in Saudi Arabia and all my bosses there are men and I have yet to see a female co-worker.

All my women managers held work standards that were quite competitive, but otherwise with quite pleasant working environment.

So I'll say from my own experience, I think those articles I posted are likely to be saying the truth.

I have had many more managers. Without a doubt the three who were so much worse than any other were all female. One of them got good results although staff turnover was not part of the calculations. Two of the best three were male. So does your experience trump mine or does mine trump yours? Nobody is saying they can't be good but just because you have had good experiences does not make it universal truth. Generally I would assume women would be good managers as they tend to be better at managing relationships which essentially is what a manager does along with extra paperwork. Of course that comment could just be a sexist stereotype!