Sexism and Religion

[grasping the after wind]

Women are more likely to be involved in social activities then men are. It's this tends to thing again.

Can you cite some other examples that would back up your assertion that women are more likely to be involved in social activities even if the activity is sexist in nature to their own detriment. For instance, Would you expect women to be more involved in attending professional sporting events than men? a somewhat sexist activity that for some reason men well outnumber women in attendance figures. I would have e xpected religious ceremonies to have similar results.

 

[LoAmmi]

Can you cite some other examples that would back up your assertion that women are more likely to be involved in social activities even if the activity is sexist in nature to their own detriment. For instance, Would you expect women to be more involved in attending professional sporting events than men? a somewhat sexist activity that for some reason men well outnumber women in attendance figures. I would have e xpected religious ceremonies to have similar results.

Sporting events aren't social in the same way as many of the social activities I've seen religious institutions go though. Men don't go there to socialize usually; they go to root on their favorite team. I haven't seen many churches setup where people to go root on Jesus taking on the Devil in the middle of the octagon. I just have seen social gatherings set up and attended by more women than men.

 

[Leah71]

Deleting due to threats I received

 

[cloudyday2]

Apparently feminism and atheism were closely associated at the beginning of the 20th century. Feminists must have viewed religion as sexist at that time.

Today we have Islam that is sexist in some countries. I've also heard that Hinduism is somewhat sexist.

It's hard to say if the religions are inherently sexist though. Modern Christianity isn't very sexist in most forms.

 

[timewerx]

Now, the question is: can religions that are so deeply rooted in the past adapt to a new era - and do they even intend to do so? Since many of them regard their texts as timeless revelations, and since these texts are so fundamentally rooted in bygone ages, I wonder if a "transplant" is possible.

I believe religions must adapt....

Scientific studies are showing that women are averaging with higher IQs than men for the last 100 years.

A Forbes study showed that female managers out-performed their male counterparts on average in terms of performance.

We are seeing heaps of evidence of superior intelligence of women.....But why are they still the minority in intellectual fields??

Well, another scientific study showed that it is directly correlated to the negative stereotyping of women they have seen since birth. Segregation of roles by gender, that women "only belongs to the kitchen, not trying to re-invent the car engine"

The only fields where men have a clear advantage over women is physical strength and fields where aggression can be considered a competitive edge such as in car racing.

Even for men who eventually find themselves in the intellectual fields, well......these men aren't exactly the "brute" types of men and these men are often displaying quite effeminate qualities, more than the average male.


It's actually senseless for even Christianity to hold a stance that discriminates women in any degree. The Bible doesn't have a solid doctrine for it. In fact, Jesus broke quite a few taboos on gender-related laws in His time. It doesn't quite agree with Apostle Paul's stance on treating women. The Book of Micah seem implying the end of our Patriarchal age resulting in a long-lasting peace (end of all wars) on Earth with the hero being Mary Magdalene (or her followers). I've read in non-canon Gospel of Mary that Mary turned out to be the favorite (beloved) disciple of Christ and the whole movement promoted gender-equality in a period that is 2000 years ago!

This is all for now from me. Sorry for the geek overload! I just read a lot!

 

[LoAmmi]

Scientific studies are showing that women are averaging with higher IQs than men for the last 100 years.

I'd love to read the actual study for this. So far, I've only been able to find some expert asserting it and no link to the actual work.

 

[timewerx]

I'd love to read the actual study for this. So far, I've only been able to find some expert asserting it and no link to the actual work.

oops.... I bet you'll love reading these articles! I think everyone should love it!

Here are your links:

http://time.com/81355/girls-beat-boys-in-every-subject-and-they-have-for-a-century/

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/07/16/why-women-finally-have-higher-iqs-than-men/

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/magazine/why-are-there-still-so-few-women-in-science.html?_r=0

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikaandersen/2012/03/26/the-results-are-in-women-are-better-leaders/


Please note of the fact, the links I gave are from quite reputable sources from quite respected and well known organizations!

 

[LoAmmi]

I'm flattered your calling me an expert! I just read a lot that's all.

None of these contain a link to a scientific study. When it comes to these things I like to read the methodology used, the sample size, and that kind of thing. I've often found problems with studies or someone being interviewed skewing the results.

 

[timewerx]

None of these contain a link to a scientific study. When it comes to these things I like to read the methodology used, the sample size, and that kind of thing. I've often found problems with studies or someone being interviewed skewing the results.

Really??? Even from reputable sources like Time, NYTimes and Forbes, they could present skewed information?

I couldn't find one either. I did read way back due to the controversial nature of the research, there's not much done in that direction.

It's like nobody wants to find out who's the more intelligent gender. One experiment was conducted in dogs and female dogs are the ones who scored higher in the tests involved.

 

[LoAmmi]

Really??? Even from reputable sources like Time, NYTimes and Forbes, they could present skewed information?

Yes. There's nothing magical about these organizations that mean they can't misinterpret a scientific study or talk to an expert who is misinterpreting it or allow their bias toward an issue make it so they don't check the source closely. It happens quite often, actually. You should always go to the source when these things come up.

 

[timewerx]

Yes. There's nothing magical about these organizations that mean they can't misinterpret a scientific study or talk to an expert who is misinterpreting it or allow their bias toward an issue make it so they don't check the source closely. It happens quite often, actually. You should always go to the source when these things come up.

So how did Time, NYtimes, and Forbes arrived at similar conclusions about women in the intellectual context??

The odds are a little unlikely unless the three are conspiring together or just some unlikely coincidence.

 

[LoAmmi]

So how did Time, NYtimes, and Forbes arrived at similar conclusions about women in the intellectual context??

The odds are a little unlikely unless the three are conspiring together.

If they're interviewing the same person or going off the same interview it would happen. It's actually really common to find very similar stories across media outlets because they pull it from the AP.

 

[gord44]

The religions and the rigid will have to change or eventually be discarded.

 

[Job8]

Sexism is another one of those Feminist buzzwords meant to divide people. One can rant and rave all day, but men and women are fundamentally different. If you want to call that "sexism" then that is your prerogative. But it is what it is. What Feminism would love is to emasculate men and elevate women above them. Sadly, too many people have gone along with this nonsense. Western women have absolutely nothing to complain about, so whining about sexism does not match reality.

As far as religions making adjustments for Feminism, false Christianity has already started making adjustments, and trying to come up with neutered "bibles". True Christianity teaches that in Christ there is no distinction between male and female BUT AT THE SAME TIME the roles of men and women in the home, the workplace, and the local church are different. That is truth and that is reality.

 

[davedajobauk]

I too, feel, that there are too-many generalisations having been (re)-asserted
for-reason of 'maintaining the status-quo'
Fundalmentalists, lean upon the literal 'word' and not, upon 'spiritual understandings'

For sure, I have seen women 'digging trenches' and they WERE, more-than equal
to any man then employed (on-site) and, there are also a great MANY women 'bus drivers' these days (?)
There is hardly a skill / trade, that is NOT also, the domain of, some woman practising-it
ie: physically and intellectually

Prior to the printing of the bible, it was Man, that went to war
it was Man, that brought home the Bacon
it was Man, who built the family home
it was Man, who defended his family and friends
Nowadays, many women, (NOT ALL) can, do all these things

The OP asks:

the question is: can religions that are so deeply rooted in the past
adapt to a new era -
and do they even intend to do so?
Since many of them regard their texts as timeless revelations,
and since these texts are so fundamentally rooted in bygone ages,
I wonder if a "transplant" is possible.

The Bible says that God's word "was, is and will be"
The spirit, we have been given, can allow us, to-accept that these 'differences',
also equips so-many women, for tasks, that, 'back in the day' very-few could entertain attempting
leave alone accomplish (?) Throughout the ages, there have-been 'exceptions' (?)

My first spouse, could not touch a dirty terry nappy, much-less wash them
She would not bathe the children either, for dread of letting them slip under water (she said)
Upon hearing, that I had fulfilled these tasks, friends and neighbours said:
that I had, "more than my fair share of Maternal Instinct" (I had been the eldest of four siblings)

This particular question 'tests' severely, my knowledge of 'other-religions' (churches)
I honestly cannot speak for those.... I don't see female Imams, nor, have I seen (or heard of) female Rabbis
or, even female Buddhist monks
So, I guess, that this so-called 'sexism', is too-deeply 'rooted', for change in-understanding in those

I think, the OP needs to rephrase her question
and look, not into 'changing God's word' to reflect modern living practices,
but rather in acceptance, that God's gifts to each of us, as-INDIVIDUALS,
has been His will and purpose for us 'personally'
"For without Him, we are nothing(lost)" ~However, with His blessings, we can and DO overcome

Female Olympic Athletes, easily compare with men (in certain fields)
If God has equipped us with specific talents (abilities) then it is not, to God's glory
if, the churches repress them, from being practised

dave

 

[timewerx]

If they're interviewing the same person or going off the same interview it would happen. It's actually really common to find very similar stories across media outlets because they pull it from the AP.

Ahh.. So what do you think about it?

I have held 4 jobs so far, been under 6 managers, 3 from the same company (in two different countries) that is a large multinational one that made it to a couple Forbes record list.

5 out of 6 managers I had were women. In one company where my manager is a man, well that's because, the company is in Saudi Arabia and all my bosses there are men and I have yet to see a female co-worker.

All my women managers held work standards that were quite competitive, but otherwise with quite pleasant working environment.

So I'll say from my own experience, I think those articles I posted are likely to be saying the truth.

 

[LoAmmi]

Ahh.. So what do you think about it?

I have held 4 jobs so far, been under 6 managers, 3 from the same company that is a large multinational one that made it to a couple Forbes record list.

5 out of 6 managers I had were women. In one company where my manager is a man, well that's because, the company is in Saudi Arabia and all my bosses there are men and I have yet to see a female co-worker.

All my women managers held work standards that were quite competitive, but otherwise with quite pleasant working environment.

So I'll say from my own experience, I think those articles I posted are likely to be saying the truth.

I've had male and female managers. They all were pretty good at what they did and got results from their people. I haven't seen much of a difference to be honest.

 

[timewerx]

I've had male and female managers. They all were pretty good at what they did and got results from their people. I haven't seen much of a difference to be honest.

That is true, of course if someone upheld a certain standard of selecting managers for example, one will get get similar results regardless of gender. Because decent companies use the same psychological, and intelligence tests for either gender for their job or promotion applicants.

The only difference you'll get if there are any differences will be through numbers - the numbers which qualified for a certain position for example.

And somehow, I'm working under female managers a lot more.... If I exclude my work in Saudi Arabia (which is obviously not applicable due to their laws regarding women), then it goes totally in favor of women.

 

[MehGuy]

Yes. There's nothing magical about these organizations that mean they can't misinterpret a scientific study or talk to an expert who is misinterpreting it or allow their bias toward an issue make it so they don't check the source closely. It happens quite often, actually. You should always go to the source when these things come up.

Yeah. We live in a time where we are trying to uplift women. I can see how faulty studies can get out of hand when they favor women. (not that I have anything against uplifting women, but let's not do it at the expense of men)

From what I read men and women average the same IQ. (any difference is neglible. The only difference between the genders I read is that men are a little more scattered when it comes to IQ. We have more people at the bottom and at the top. But with your average person it's about the same.

 

[cloudyday2]

Are there genderless equivalents of "his"/"hers", "him"/"her", etc? "It" seems inappropriate for a human.