Evolution or Creationism?

[AV1611VET]

Do you reject the idea of Thor? Do you reject the idea of Zeus? Do you reject the idea of Anu? I do too - I just add one more to the long long list.

No.

Now tell me "you do too."

But for the record, it doesn't matter, does it?

Whether one believes Thor was real, or whether one does not, I'll bet you'll still argue the same point -- (whatever it is).

After all, the bottom line is: it's not what we say that counts, is it? it's what we are?

 

[AV1611VET]

Wow all those from a fall -

The Fall, chief.

The Fall.

Ever heard of it?

 

[joshua 1 9]

That would mean this same god allows 9 million children to die each year before the age of five. Why is this?

The first time He saved my life was when I was 12. There is God's Perfect Divine Will and His permissive will.

 

[bhsmte]

The first time He saved my life was when I was 12. There is God's Perfect Divine Will and His permissive will.

9 million lives he chooses not to save and these are lives of children.

 

[Oncedeceived]

9 million lives he chooses not to save and these are lives of children.

Death with these children is like them walking out one door and into another with a loving God there to greet them.

 

[SteveB28]

Death with these children is like them walking out one door and into another with a loving God there to greet them.

And the horrific suffering that many of them experience before passing through that magic door.......?

 

[Oncedeceived]

And the horrific suffering that many of them experience before passing through that magic door.......?

Disease is a reality. The Christian worldview holds that death and suffering are realities that come with the way in which God set up life as a self-reproducing life form. Those same mutations and changes bring about disease and suffering as well as fantastically remarkable healing abilities in our bodies.

 

[asherahSamaria]

No.

Now tell me "you do too."

But for the record, it doesn't matter, does it?

Whether one believes Thor was real, or whether one does not, I'll bet you'll still argue the same point -- (whatever it is).

After all, the bottom line is: it's not what we say that counts, is it? it's what we are?

Yes - it's the same point - no actual evidence.Well done for spotting it.

 

[asherahSamaria]

The Fall, chief.

The Fall.

Ever heard of it?

Humour - surely you've heard of that?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Death with these children is like them walking out one door and into another with a loving God there to greet them.

So... killing children is like buying them a ticket straight to paradise?

Yikes!

 

[DogmaHunter]

Disease is a reality. The Christian worldview holds that death and suffering are realities that come with the way in which God set up life as a self-reproducing life form. Those same mutations and changes bring about disease and suffering as well as fantastically remarkable healing abilities in our bodies.

That doesn't make any sense.
Not all desease is genetic. In fact, most isn't.
If you wish to entertain the idea that your deity of choice created life, then you must also entertain the idea that this deity created viruses, parasites and plenty of bacteria that are out to kill is - which is their way for surviving.

In that sense, desease really isn't some "logical consequence". In that sense, rather, it's planted on purpose by this deity.

You can't have your cake and eat it too...

 

[SteveB28]

Disease is a reality.

I wasn't only referring to disease. The worm that invades babies eyes and eats them inside out? Babies born without brains? Little children horribly maimed in accidents?

The Christian worldview

Correction. SOME Christian world views.

....holds that death and suffering are realities that come with the way in which God set up life as a self-reproducing life form.

Why was it not possible to "set up" the system without the horrors?

Those same mutations and changes bring about disease and suffering as well as fantastically remarkable healing abilities in our bodies.

I must tell that to the next cystic fibrosis sufferer I meet.

 

[joshua 1 9]

9 million lives he chooses not to save and these are lives of children.

He can do whatever he wants to do. He is a whole heck of a lot smarter then you or me or anyone. We are not going to get anywhere until we quit trusting in man and start trusting in God. He can not contradict Himself, He has to be faithful and true to who He is. Your opinion of who or what God is does not really amount to much of anything. Rom3:4 "Let God be true, but every man a liar".

 

[joshua 1 9]

So... killing children is like buying them a ticket straight to paradise?

Yikes!

The babies come from Heaven. So if something goes wrong then they find there way back to where God sent them from. There is no harm or danger in Heaven it is a save place. Then in Heaven either the family will raise the child. Or I hear the child develops very slow until the parents get there to raise their child.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Why was it not possible to "set up" the system without the horrors?

In order to do that then you have to give up free will. We have a choice if we want to follow God or not. The biggest surprise for me in reading the Bible is when I found out that God causes good to come out of everything. In fact He says in ALL things give thanks. It took me a while to work my way through to understand this concept. 1Thes5:18 "In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you." One thing is for sure: God hates it when we grumble and complain, we can not expect to receive anything from Him that way. Psalm 100:4 "Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name."

 

[joshua 1 9]

Not all desease is genetic. In fact, most isn't.

Would not matter if it is genetic or not there are still ways to prevent the genes from expressing themselves. Science is very much heading in the direction that most disease can be controlled or prevented through diet, exercise and behavior modification. At least when it comes to the leading causes of death. Cancer, diabetes, stroke, heart disease and things like that.

 

[DogmaHunter]

The babies come from Heaven. So if something goes wrong then they find there way back to where God sent them from.

hmmmm....
How can one say that "going to an eternal paradise" is "something went wrong"?
Wouldn't going to an eternal paradise be a good thing?

There is no harm or danger in Heaven it is a save place.

Wouldn't you want your kids to be in a place free from harm and danger?
Why do christians cry when their kids they? Shouldn't they instead rejoice? Isn't it correct to say that their kids are in a "better" place then?

Why would one be sad if his loved ones are actually in a better place, free from harm and danger?

Then in Heaven either the family will raise the child. Or I hear the child develops very slow until the parents get there to raise their child.

So.... does that mean that people also "age" in this paradise?
This doesn't seem to make much sense.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Would not matter if it is genetic or not there are still ways to prevent the genes from expressing themselves.

Perhaps you should first read what the post said that I was replying to....

Science is very much heading in the direction that most disease can be controlled or prevented through diet, exercise and behavior modification.

Err, no.
Science plays a constant game of catch-up with desease. Ironically, because of evolution. Germs and bacteria evolve as well, you know.

This is why there are new flew shots needed every year. Because the formula's of those of last year no longer work on the current evolved strains.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The Fall, chief.

The Fall.

Ever heard of it?

This is really the main conflict between Evolution and Creationism. Evolution has tons of evidence for the fall. It really comes down to those who are justified by His blood and those who are not.

Titus1:9 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.

 

[joshua 1 9]

hmmmm....
How can one say that "going to an eternal paradise" is "something went wrong"?

Something went wrong in their transition to earth. Maybe they were aborted or there was a miscarriage or something like that. The world is in a fallen state and there is death in the world.

Wouldn't you want your kids to be in a place free from harm and danger? Why do christians cry when their kids they? Shouldn't they instead rejoice? Isn't it correct to say that their kids are in a "better" place then?

The Bible says that God saves them from the trouble that is to come. Because of His love and His mercy.

Why would one be sad if his loved ones are actually in a better place, free from harm and danger?

Yes of course we are happy that our loved ones went on to their reward. We still miss them and we have questions that we wish we had asked them when they were still alive. They are aware of the happy events in our lives and rejoice with us.

So.... does that mean that people also "age" in this paradise?
This doesn't seem to make much sense.

Why would it not make sense that we still grow and mature in Heaven. I look forward to going to the university when I get there. I look forward to learning from the people that actually wrote the Bible. I want to thank David for helping me to understand the Love that God has for me and the purpose of the Law of God to protect me and keep me from harm. I can not begin to tell you all I look forward to when I get there.