Why would some believe christians will offer sacrifices in the millennial temple?

[zelosravioli]

I have been studying with a group Christians in Ezekiel and about the temple of Ezekiel. I have always studied about the temple, and eschatology is one of my favorite subjects. I have formed an opinion that this temple will be built by the modern Jews, and that they will begin to offer the sacrifices and all the things pertaining to the Law (and not 'necessarily' this generation of Jews). But then Christ will then come to the gate of this new temple (if to understand Ezekiel's vision) and at that point the Temple Jews will recognize that He is the Lamb of God, the one who was slain. Who has holes in His hands, and then the Jews will recognize Him as the Lord and the Lamb. And then the sacrifices stop, the veil over their eyes is taken away, and from then on He reigns in the physical Jerusalem Temple. I am even wondering if this millennial temple is destroyed at that time, but I'm just trying to reconcile the church, and the body of believers in the body of Christ with the reign of Christ in the Millennial period (Dispensationalist and Covenant interpretations aside).

Why is it that some Christians whom I talk to think that temple will be a place where even Christians (and Jews) will continue some kind of system of sacrifices? To me that seems to be going back to the Law. Even though Paul seemed to participate in some temple rituals, that was before the destruction of Herods temple, and I believe Paul was just trying to be all things to all men, etc. and not trying to condone the institution of the sacrificial system of Atonement. Some have said that the offerings in the millennial temple will not be for atonement but for the thanksgiving, freewill and grain offerings only, that seems ok but I see all things being fulfilled and offered by Christ the priest of Ezekiel 45-48. And this will all be fulfilled in Christ, so I don't see any further sacrificial system, for sure for Christians, in fact I think it's blasphemous for Believers to re-enact the sacrifice, the Law and the systems of it, since it was 'all fulfilled in Christ'. What do you Think? I haven't explained this in detail but just seeing if someone else understands where I'm coming from. thanks.

 

[Psalm3704]

Ezekiel's temple is the fourth and final temple that will be built for Christ after the tribulation and will never be destroy. This is in the bible.

The next temple to be built will be the 3rd temple either just before the start of the tribulation or at the beginning of the tribulation. This is also in the bible.

I'm just too lazy to look up the scriptures right now. But this temple will be much bigger than all 3 prior temples.

 

[keras]

The third Temple will be built by the Lord's righteous people, be they true descendants of Jacob or grafted in. They will gather in all of the Holy Land, soon after it is cleared and cleansed by the Sixth Seal/ Psalms 83 devastation.
They won't make sacrifices for sins, but thank offerings and purifications. All as detailed in Ezekiel 40-48

 

[vinsight4u]

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[parousia70]

I have been studying with a group of Christians about the temple, specifically the temple of Ezekiel. I have always studied about the temple, and eschatology is one of my favorite subjects. I have formed an opinion that the temple will be built by the modern Jews, and that they will begin to offer the sacrifices and all the things pertaining to the Law.

That will be impossible.
Firstly, There has been no positive identification of any Aaronic jewish priesthood for 2000 years now!

Next, even if one could prove that a modern person had a genetic link to an ancient Aaronic priest (which no one has done yet), the bible's rules of defilement for priests---such as prohibitions of contact with graveyards (Leviticus 10:6, Leviticus 21:1–5; Ezekiel 44:20, Ezekiel 44:25) and various types of marriage (Leviticus 21:6-7)---would disqualify that person and their children from the priestly lineage. So, there is no way that any such group of people will ever be restored.

Why is it that many Christians whom I talk to think that temple will be a place where even Christians (and Jews) will continue some kind of system of sacrifices? To me that seems anti-Gospel.

You are correct, it is anti gospel, anti Christ. Yet most Dispensational Futurists do indeed hold that in the millennium, the Glorified Christ will sit on a throne in a temple in Jerusalem and REQUIRE Human beings to render blood animal sacrifices directly to Him, at His very feet no less, and that HE will require all Males who enter the temple be physically circumcized.
As Keras did above, They Cite Ezekiel 40-48 as their proof of this future to us condition.

I call it "Backward Redemption", and like the apostles, I consider it a falling away from Salvation. A falling away from the Grace of Jesus Christ and a slap in the face, a spit in the eye of Jesus' once for all time PERFECT sacrifice on the cross.

 

[parousia70]

The third Temple will be built by the Lord's righteous people, be they true descendants of Jacob or grafted in. They will gather in all of the Holy Land, soon after it is cleared and cleansed by the Sixth Seal/ Psalms 83 devastation.
They won't make sacrifices for sins, but thank offerings and purifications. All as detailed in Ezekiel 40-48

By What authority do you change the meaning of the Sacrifices in Ezekiel 40-48?

You are correct that its DETAILED, and the details CLEARLY show that these are sacrifices for SIN:

Ezekiel 40:39
In the porch of the gate were two tables on each side, on which to slaughter the burnt offering, the sin offering and the guilt offering.

Ezekiel 42:13
the priests who are near to the LORD shall eat the most holy things. There they shall lay the most holy things, the grain offering, the sin offering and the guilt offering;

Ezekiel 43:20
'You shall take some of its blood and put it on its four horns and on the four corners of the ledge and on the border round about; thus you shall cleanse it and make atonement for it.

Ezekiel 43:21
'You shall also take the bull for the sin offering

Ezekiel 43:22
'On the second day you shall offer a male goat without blemish for a sin offering

Ezekiel 43:27
'When they have completed the days, it shall be that on the eighth day and onward, the priests shall offer your burnt offerings on the altar, and your peace offerings; AND I WILL ACCEPT YOU

Ezekiel 44:9
'Thus says the Lord GOD, "No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh of all the foreigners who are among the sons of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary.

Ezekiel 44:10
"But the Levites who went far from Me when Israel went astray, who went astray from Me after their idols, shall bear the punishment for their iniquity. Yet they shall be ministers in My sanctuary, having oversight at the gates of the house and ministering in the house; they shall slaughter the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people

Ezekiel 44:23
"Moreover, they shall teach My people the difference between the holy and the profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.

 

[Soyeong]

I have been studying with a group of Christians about the temple, specifically the temple of Ezekiel. I have always studied about the temple, and eschatology is one of my favorite subjects. I have formed an opinion that the temple will be built by the modern Jews, and that they will begin to offer the sacrifices and all the things pertaining to the Law. But then Christ will then come to the gate of this new temple (if to understand Ezekiel's vision) and at that point the Temple Jews will recognize that He is the Lamb of God, the one who was slain. Who has holes in His hands, and then the Jews will recognize Him as the Lord and the Lamb. And then the sacrifices stop, the veil over their eyes is taken away, and from then on He reigns in the physical Jerusalem Temple. I am even wondering if this millennial temple is destroyed at that time, but I'm just trying to reconcile the church, and the body of believers in the body of Christ with the reign of Christ in the Millennial period. Why is it that many Christians whom I talk to think that temple will be a place where even Christians (and Jews) will continue some kind of system of sacrifices? To me that seems anti-Gospel. Even though Paul offered a sacrifice, that was before the destruction of Herods temple, and I believe Paul was just trying to be all things to all men, etc. and not trying to condone the institution of the sacrificial system of Atonement. Some have said that the offerings in the millennial temple will not be for atonement but for the thanksgiving, freewill and grain offerings only, that seems ok but I see all things being fulfilled and offered by Christ the priest of Ezekiel 45-48. And this will all be fulfilled in Christ, so I don't see any further sacrificial system, for sure for Christians, in fact I think it's blasphemous for Believers to re-enact the sacrifice, the law and the systems of it, since it was 'all fulfilled in Christ'. What do you Think? I haven't explained this in detail but just seeing if someone else understands where I'm coming from. thanks.

Meeting people where they are at is not the same as participating with doing something wrong. Jesus ate with sinners, but he didn't condone sin. Paul's sacrifices in Acts 18 and 21 involved sin sacrifices and the conclusion of the vow (Numbers 6), so if Paul thought that it was blasphemous, then he wouldn't have gone along with it. As parousi70 quoted, there will also be sin sacrifices during the Millennium, but I think they will be done for the purpose of memorial and instruction. There is something you learn about sin when you put your hand on the neck of a spotless animal to kill it in your place that you don't learn otherwise.

 

[parousia70]

. As parousi70 quoted, there will also be sin sacrifices during the Millennium, but I think they will be done for the purpose of memorial and instruction.

Where does scripture teach that they will be "memorial" and "instructive" and not Proprietary?

Also How is Requiring Males to be Physically Circumcised "Memorial and instructive" about Jesus?

Are you saying Jesus will require males to be physically circumcised to "remind them" He forever removed the requirement to be physically Circumcised??

 

[Soyeong]

Where does scripture teach that they will be "memorial" and "instructive" and not Proprietary?

Also How is Requiring Males to be Physically Circumcised "Memorial and instructive" about Jesus?

Are you saying Jesus will require males to be physically circumcised to "remind them" He forever removed the requirement to be physically Circumcised??

Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice for our sins and nothing further is needed on top of what he has accomplished. Who said anything about becoming physically circumcised in the Millennium?

 

[parousia70]

Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice for our sins and nothing further is needed on top of what he has accomplished.

Agreed, so why do you believe future sin atonement blood animal Sacrifices will be required by Christ in the Millennium?

Who said anything about becoming physically circumcised in the Millennium?

Ezekiel did:
Ezekiel 44:9
'Thus says the Lord GOD, "No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh of all the foreigners who are among the sons of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary.

 

[keras]

By What authority do you change the meaning of the Sacrifices in Ezekiel 40-48?
You are correct that its DETAILED, and the details CLEARLY show that these are sacrifices for SIN: .

I quote that by the authority of my Revised English Bible. You don't say which translation you use, but I stand by my REB, a complete re translation from all available ancient texts.

Ezekiel 40:39
In the porch of the gate were two tables on each side, on which to slaughter the burnt offering, the sin offering and the guilt offering.

Ezekiel 40:39 On each side of the vestibule were two tables where the whole offering, the purification offering and the reparation offering are to be slaughtered.

Ezekiel 42:13
the priests who are near to the LORD shall eat the most holy things. There they shall lay the most holy things, the grain offering, the sin offering and the guilt offering;

Ezekiel 42:13 ...the Priests who approach the Lord may eat the sacred offerings. They are to place the grain offering and the reparation offerings there, for the place is holy.

Ezekiel 43:20
'You shall take some of its blood and put it on its four horns and on the four corners of the ledge and on the border round about; thus you shall cleanse it and make atonement for it.

Ezekiel 43:20 You are to take some of the blood....and so purify and make expiation for the Altar.

Ezekiel 43:21
'You shall also take the bull for the sin offering

Ezekiel 43:21 Then take the bull chosen for the purification offering.....

Ezekiel 43:22
'On the second day you shall offer a male goat without blemish for a sin offering

Ezekiel 43:22 On the following day you are to present a he-goat without blemish and purify the Altar as done with the bull.

Ezekiel 43:27
'When they have completed the days, it shall be that on the eighth day and onward, the priests shall offer your burnt offerings on the altar, and your peace offerings; AND I WILL ACCEPT YOU

Ezekiel 43:27 At the end of that time, on the 8th day, the priests will offer your whole offerings and your shared offerings on the Altar and I shall accept you.
Parousia, I believe that Jesus was our full and final atonement for our personal sins. The NT is clear on this issue.
The Temple was the focal point for gathering and worship in ancient times and will be again. The new Temple must be dedicated and the new Altar consecrated. Ezekiel details this process.
Then the People are required to offer to God the firstfruits, etc, all as will be made clear to His holy People when they are settled in all of the Holy Land, great will be the Day!

 

[parousia70]

And the requirement for Circumcision in Ezekiel 44:9??

 

[Job8]

The Bible does NOT say that "Christians" will offer sacrifices in the Millennial Temple. Christians will reign with Christ. The Millennial Temple is for redeemed and restored Israel under the New Covenant, and we do not have the whole picture either.

 

[parousia70]

The Real Replacement Theology.
The Church is Replaced by The Blood Animal Temple Sacrifice system as the means of salvation on planet earth.

Should I recycle the Book of Hebrews after I tear it out of my Bible, or just throw it away?

 

[BABerean2]

In the allegory of Galatians chapter 4, Paul makes it clear that we are to abandon the Old Covenant.
We are to cast out the child of the Bondwoman.
Why would it be brought back in the future?


Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
The Mount Sinai Covenant was one of bondage.

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
The Old Covenant was bondage according to Paul.


The real Mount Sinai is in Arabia. ( Jabel al Lawz) It has various English spellings. (Mount of the Almond).
Jethro was a priest of Midian.
The land of Midian is on the west side of Arabia.
http://bibleatlas.org/regional/midian.htm


Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Our Jerusalem is the not the one here on earth. It is above.
It is the New Jerusalem found in 2nd Peter 3:10 and Isaiah chapter 65.

Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
We are the children of the John 3:16/Gal. 3:16 promise. It was made to one Seed.

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Paul was continually battling the Judaizers, who were attempting to put the Gentile Christians under the Law.


Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Paul is saying, give up the Old Covenant.

Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
We are the children of the New Covenant.

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Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Jesus is now the mediator of the New Covenant.

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
The Mosaic Covenant was not kept by the Israelites.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
This is also found at the end of Romans chapter 11, and is in effect now.

The Jews are not waiting on it's future fulfillment.

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
The Mosaic Covenant was conditional. It depended on Israel keeping the Law, which they never did.

God no longer regards them under the Old Covenant.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
This is found at the end of Romans chapter 11 and is in effect now.

It is not waiting on the future.

Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The Old Covenant is finished.



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[LastSeven]

I think there's a case to be made that Ezekiel's temple is not a blueprint for a temple to be built, but rather a blueprint of God's plan for mankind.

John 10:9
I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture.

 

[Psalm3704]

In the allegory of Galatians chapter 4, Paul makes it clear that we are to abandon the Old Covenant.
We are to cast out the child of the Bondwoman.
Why would it be brought back in the future?


Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
The Mount Sinai Covenant was one of bondage.

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
The Old Covenant was bondage according to Paul.


The real Mount Sinai is in Arabia. ( Jabel al Lawz) It has various English spellings. (Mount of the Almond).
Jethro was a priest of Midian.
The land of Midian is on the west side of Arabia.
http://bibleatlas.org/regional/midian.htm


Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Our Jerusalem is the not the one here on earth. It is above.
It is the New Jerusalem found in 2nd Peter 3:10 and Isaiah chapter 65.

Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
We are the children of the John 3:16/Gal. 3:16 promise. It was made to one Seed.

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Paul was continually battling the Judaizers, who were attempting to put the Gentile Christians under the Law.


Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Paul is saying, give up the Old Covenant.

Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
We are the children of the New Covenant.

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Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Jesus is now the mediator of the New Covenant.

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
The Mosaic Covenant was not kept by the Israelites.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
This is also found at the end of Romans chapter 11, and is in effect now.

The Jews are not waiting on it's future fulfillment.

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
The Mosaic Covenant was conditional. It depended on Israel keeping the Law, which they never did.

God no longer regards them under the Old Covenant.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
This is found at the end of Romans chapter 11 and is in effect now.

It is not waiting on the future.

Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The Old Covenant is finished.

This has nothing to do with the old covenant. It's a totally different topic. This is prophecy about the future in the old testaments.

Zechariah 14:16-21
16 All of those left alive of the people who came to fight Jerusalem will come back to Jerusalem year after year to worship the King, the Lord All-Powerful, and to celebrate the Feast of Shelters. 17 Anyone from the nations who does not go to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord All-Powerful, will not have rain fall on his land. 18 If the Egyptians do not go to Jerusalem, they will not have rain. Then the Lord will send them the same terrible disease he sent the other nations that did not celebrate the Feast of Shelters. 19 This will be the punishment for Egypt and any nation which does not go to celebrate the Feast of Shelters.

20 At that time the horses’ bells will have written on them: holy to the lord. The cooking pots in the Temple of the Lord will be like the holy altar bowls. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord All-Powerful, and everyone who offers sacrifices will be able to take food from them and cook in them. At that time there will not be any buyers or sellers in the Temple of the Lord All-Powerful.

 

[Soyeong]

Agreed, so why do you believe future sin atonement blood animal Sacrifices will be required by Christ in the Millennium?

I think that future sin offerings will be done in memorial or for instruction. Perhaps if someone were to take a Nazarite vow, then it would be required as part of that, but not for the atonement of sin.

Ezekiel did:
Ezekiel 44:9
'Thus says the Lord GOD, "No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh of all the foreigners who are among the sons of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary.

I'm not sure that Gentiles will be required to enter God's sanctuary, but they can become circumcised if they want or if it is required. I said that I think the sin sacrifice will be done in memorial, not circumcision.

A key part in the discussion about circumcision in the NT is the motivation behind it. For instance, Paul said that if you allow yourselves to be circumcised, then Christ is of no value to you (Galatians 5:2). Roughly 80% of men in the US are circumcised Gentiles, so was Paul saying that Christ was of no value to them? I don't think he was. The Galatians had begin to listen to influencers who were saying that they needed to become Jews and keep the law according to their traditions in order to be saved. So if they were going along with trying to become justified by their own efforts, then they were rejecting Christ's gift of salvation by faith, and thus Christ would be of no value to them. On the other hand, getting circumcised because you want to enter God's sanctuary is a legitimate reason to become circumcised. Paul directly said that he thought that circumcision had value much in every way (Romans 3:1), but that its value was dependent on whether or not they observed the law (Romans 2:25-26).

 

[Soyeong]

In the allegory of Galatians chapter 4, Paul makes it clear that we are to abandon the Old Covenant.

It's agreed that we should abandon the Old Covenant, but whether we should abandon God's holy, righteous, and good law is another matter entirely.

 

[BABerean2]

The word "Jerusalem" does not always mean the city in this sin-cursed world.
The "New Jerusalem" is now above and will replace the other one, when Christ returns.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.


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2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
This was written to the Church.

Part of the description in Isaiah chapter 65 sounds much like life in the Garden, before the fall.

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