Did the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday?

[Meowzltov]

Jesus and the apostles observed Saturday sabbath. That's good enough for me. Paul did too. We r to follow their example, r we not? God does regard the motive of the heart so I hear what ur saying about esteeming days. Since most Paul talked to were gentiles I believe he was referring to not getting upset when others disputed them about keeping Saturday sabbath and other feast days. But yes u do have to be persuaded in ur own heart. But I do believe it was the Catholic church and Constantine who changed it to Sunday

Jesus and the Apostles were all Jews. It is appropriate for Jewish Christians to keep the Shabbat. However, the Council of Jerusalem relieved Gentile Christians of the responsibility of keeping Jewish law. Therefore Gentile Christians need not observe the Shabbat.

 

[Elder 111]

Some things to note.
1.The Lord's day is not/was never Sunday.

It's debatable whether what John declare as the Lord's day was Saturday or Sunday. To many protestants, the Catholic church made claims that contradict the scriptures. History proves that Sabbathkeeping and Sunday worship are not the same thing. Scripture proves that every day they spread the gospel and worshipped.

There is no debate needed, in scripture, the Lord only refers to the Sabbath and calls it His day. Isa. 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: Can you find such about Sunday/first day of the week? How then can it be a debate? God does not leave us guessing! It is not how God operates.Do not forget that John would have been keeping the Sabbath with Jesus, and there is nothing that says Jesus changed the day.
2. God did not call for us to keep Sunday at any time nor for any reason.

Your notes are cunning schemes intended to flush the gospel for the law.
Paul taught that we should not judge about a day or days taken to honor God. Everyone should be persuaded in their own hearts.

That is a statement of fact nothing else. You must also remember that there were days that were "Sabbath days" and other "holy days" that were part of the Jewish calendar, like the pass over and the day of atonement, that were particularly Jewish and not necessary for Christians to observe. These are what Paul referred to. Do not ignore that fact.

3. The Sabbath was not pointing to Christ but is in memorial of God as the Creator. That is what God said.

Moot point...When Moses and Elijah transfigured with Jesus. Peter took it as a reason to enshrine all 3prophetic ministries. God interrupted Peter's idea and pointed to Jesus.

So how does that negate my stated fact.

4.The Sabbath was not a ceremony but a command of God from creation..

False, there is no creation command to keep the Sabbath. Show it? God did say it was a sign for Him and 1 group. This was not at creation and definitely not to the world. The Sabbath is noted with all the feasts and with the Levitical ceremonies

The Sabbath is not noted with the ceremonial Laws! You made a mistake there. The Sabbath is placed in the middle of the Ten Commandments. Are you claiming that none of the ten were to kept before Mount Sinai? If so, how do you explain Joseph not sleeping with another man's wife in order not to displease God? If all the other commandments were holy before Sinai why not the Sabbath which is expressly stated to be made Holy and sanctified.
5. There is nothing of Sunday worship in all the bible.

False, The day of Pentecost was a Sunday and here is what happened after over 3000 people got baptized with the Holy Spirit ; they continued daily preaching and teaching adding to the church daily those who wanted salvation.
Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

That does that say that it was a day set aside for worship instead of the Sabbath and you should know that is what I mean.
5. How can the Sabbath be made to point towards Jesus when it was instituted before sin? There was no need to point to Jesus until after the fall!

False, prove it.

You really believe that God blessed and Sanctify the day because He had nothing else to do? If you would accept the plainly stated words of Jesus Himself in Mark 2:27 you would have no problem with that.

Why not redeem the so-called flawed scriptures? The first 7 minutes show the video as a rebuttal to SDA claims and an explanation of what Catholic believe is truth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joHiQsgDTs4

It took me hours of research to respond to your post. I already know you have an unlimited supply of questions with implications. Can you prove anything you say is the truth?

I Don't have to, the bible already has.

 

[BobRyan]

Jesus and the Apostles were all Jews. It is appropriate for Jewish Christians to keep the Shabbat. However, the Council of Jerusalem relieved Gentile Christians of the responsibility of keeping Jewish law. Therefore Gentile Christians need not observe the Shabbat.

Nothing is said in the Acts 15 council about Gentiles honoring their Parents - yet Paul brings this up for gentiles in Eph 6 - as applicable.

Nothing is said in Acts 15 council about gentiles loving their neighbor as themselves and loving God with all their heart - yet James brings this up for gentile readers in James 2.

Nothing is said in Acts 15 about gentiles not killing - yet Paul brings this up for gentiles in Romans 13, and James brings this up for gentils in James 2- even quoting Exodus 20 to make the case.

Christ said the "Sabbath was made for mankind" Mark 2:27 -- most of us gentiles like to think we are members of mankind.
God says the Sabbath is for "all mankind" in Is 66:23 -- most of us gentiles like to think we are members of mankind
God says the Sabbath is specifically for the "foreigner" in Is 56 -- once again many gentiles do not consider ourselves to be native to the land of Israel.

Just stating the obvious.

Not only does the bible apply the Sabbath to gentiles as we see in the examples above - but all the Christian sources listed below in my signature line -- also apply the Sabbath commandment to gentiles -- OT and NT.

 

[BobRyan]

If Christ told Paul to teach Gentiles that they're not under the law, your comments are suspected as questionable.

Paul says "not under the Law but under Grace" means for Gentiles - "not sinning" not "transgressing the law" in Romans 6 for to do so is to be a "slave of sin" according to Paul.

Paul says that the Law of God continues to define sin and continues to condemn all mankind as sinners - in Romans 3, and Galatians 3.

"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the LAW of God" Rom 3:31.

Because for Paul - the NEW Covenant writes the Jer 31:31-33 known LAW of God - "on the mind and on the heart" Heb 8.

 

[BobRyan]

More statements about the Lord's day in the OT.
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QUOTE="BobRyan, post: 68321137, member: 235244"]Ok so you and John Paul II differ on that point. No problem everyone has free will and can choose for themselves.

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QUOTE="BobRyan, post: 68315037, member: 235244"]Dies Domini

From the Sabbath to Sunday

18. Because the Third (the Sabbath) Commandment depends upon the remembrance of God's saving works and because Christians saw the definitive time inaugurated by Christ as a new beginning, they made the first day after the Sabbath a festive day, for that was the day on which the Lord rose from the dead. The Paschal Mystery of Christ is the full revelation of the mystery of the world's origin, the climax of the history of salvation and the anticipation of the eschatological fulfilment of the world. What God accomplished in Creation and wrought for his People in the Exodus has found its fullest expression in Christ's Death and Resurrection, though its definitive fulfilment will not come until the Parousia, when Christ returns in glory. In him, the "spiritual" meaning of the Sabbath is fully realized, as Saint Gregory the Great declares: "For us, the true Sabbath is the person of our Redeemer, our Lord Jesus Christ".(14) This is why the joy with which God, on humanity's first Sabbath, contemplates all that was created from nothing, is now expressed in the joy with which Christ, on Easter Sunday, appeared to his disciples, bringing the gift of peace and the gift of the Spirit (cf. Jn 20:19-23). It was in the Paschal Mystery that humanity, and with it the whole creation, "groaning in birth-pangs until now" (Rom 8:22), came to know its new "exodus" into the freedom of God's children who can cry out with Christ, "Abba, Father!" (Rom 8:15; Gal 4:6). In the light of this mystery, the meaning of the Old Testament precept concerning the Lord's Day is recovered, perfected and fully revealed in the glory which shines on the face of the Risen Christ (cf. 2 Cor 4:6). We move from the "Sabbath" to the "first day after the Sabbath", from the seventh day to the first day: the dies Domini becomes the dies Christi![/QUOTE]

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And it could not noted that you and a number of other well documented RCC sources -- also differ on that point.

QUOTE="BobRyan, post: 68314978, member: 235244"]QUOTE="BobRyan, post: 67333148, member: 235244"]

...commentary on the Baltimore Catechism -

1965 -- first published 1959

(from "The Faith Explained" page 243

"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day- which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...

nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church

Proof that this view has been around ... for a while.


1946

In the Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, we read:

Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea, (AD 336) transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday….
Q. Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday.
Q. By what authority did the Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plenitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon her!
—Rev. Peter Geiermann, C.SS.R., (1946), p. 50.


1566

In the Catechism of the Council of Trent,

The Church of God has thought it well to transfer the celebration and observance of the Sabbath to Sunday!
p 402, second revised edition (English), 1937. (First published in 1566)
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I happen to think they are right about the Bible Sabbath being the Lord's Day as given in the Bible - but you are free to differ.

in Christ,

Bob[/QUOTE]

 

[BobRyan]

Paul says "not under the Law but under Grace" means for Gentiles - "not sinning" not "transgressing the law" in Romans 6 for to do so is to be a "slave of sin" according to Paul.

Paul says that the Law of God continues to define sin and continues to condemn all mankind as sinners - in Romans 3, and Galatians 3.

"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the LAW of God" Rom 3:31.

Because for Paul - the NEW Covenant writes the Jer 31:31-33 known LAW of God - "on the mind and on the heart" Heb 8.

And of course - should add this one since the question comes up about "under the LAW"

Romans 6

What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin.

...

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
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20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 Therefore what benefit were you then deriving from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death. 22 But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Meowzltov]

1.The Lord's day is not/was never Sunday.

You are mistaken. First of all, it is not called "my holy day" or any other such rendering. It quite specifically is called "the Day of the Lord" or "the Lord's Day." It is mentioned only one time in Scripture (Revelation) and scripture never says which day of the week the Day of the Lord is.

To find out which day of the week the Day of the Lord is, you have to go to the Early Church Fathers. First, we learn the importance of first day worship from Justin Martyr:
"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead" (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).

We hear similarly from the Letter to Barnabas about the eighth day:
"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

So is this first/eighth day worship called the Lord's Day? Yes, and in fact the Sabbath is quite specifically ruled out by Ignatius:
"those who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).

The Didache also refers to the first/eighth day assembly as the Lord's Day:
"But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).

And so we can first piece together the duel sets of writings which both describe the major day of assembling, both as the first/eighth day and as the Lord's Day, and we see explicitly in Ignatius' writing that the Lord's Day is not the Sabbath.

Case closed.

Open Heart.

 

[Meowzltov]

Nothing is said in the Acts 15 council about Gentiles honoring their Parents - yet Paul brings this up for gentiles in Eph 6 - as applicable.

Nothing is said in Acts 15 council about gentiles loving their neighbor as themselves and loving God with all their heart - yet James brings this up for gentile readers in James 2.

Nothing is said in Acts 15 about gentiles not killing - yet Paul brings this up for gentiles in Romans 13, and James brings this up for gentils in James 2- even quoting Exodus 20 to make the case.

The letter of James articulated things that Gentiles needed to be taught. It was not necessary to list things Gentiles already knew, such as not stealing, not murdering, honoring parents, etc.

Loving God and neighbor is a principal that underscores all laws.

 

[Elder 111]

You are mistaken. First of all, it is not called "my holy day" or any other such rendering. It quite specifically is called "the Day of the Lord" or "the Lord's Day." It is mentioned only one time in Scripture (Revelation) and scripture never says which day of the week the Day of the Lord is.

To find out which day of the week the Day of the Lord is, you have to go to the Early Church Fathers. First, we learn the importance of first day worship from Justin Martyr:
"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead" (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).

We hear similarly from the Letter to Barnabas about the eighth day:
"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

So is this first/eighth day worship called the Lord's Day? Yes, and in fact the Sabbath is quite specifically ruled out by Ignatius:
"those who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).

The Didache also refers to the first/eighth day assembly as the Lord's Day:
"But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).

And so we can first piece together the duel sets of writings which both describe the major day of assembling, both as the first/eighth day and as the Lord's Day, and we see explicitly in Ignatius' writing that the Lord's Day is not the Sabbath.

Case closed.

Open Heart.

Bible interprets bible. Isa 8:20 Isa 28:13. You can rely on those church fathers that were influence by pagan worship, I am not convinced as I am sure you know by now.

 

[Elder 111]

The letter of James articulated things that Gentiles needed to be taught. It was not necessary to list things Gentiles already knew, such as not stealing, not murdering, honoring parents, etc.

Loving God and neighbor is a principal that underscores all laws.

Nor the Sabbath which they were already keeping.

 

[BobRyan]

You are mistaken. First of all, it is not called "my holy day" or any other such rendering. It quite specifically is called "the Day of the Lord" or "the Lord's Day."

"Holy Day of the Lord" - "My Holy Day" -- Son of Man is "Lord of the Sabbath" - "The Lord's Day" -- a distinction without a difference.

Even the RCC admits that the Lord's Day as given in the Bible is Saturday - the 7th day of the week, the last day of the week.

Is 58
“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,


And so do all the other Christian groups listed in the signature line below - admit to this Bible detail

 

[BobRyan]

The letter of James articulated things that Gentiles needed to be taught. It was not necessary to list things Gentiles already knew, such as not stealing, not murdering, honoring parents, etc.

Loving God and neighbor is a principal that underscores all laws.

And yet they do list them in Eph 6:1-2, James 2, Romans 13,

All quoting Exodus 20

Just as the Jews needed them listed in Matt 22, and Exodus 20.

 

[BobRyan]

Out of curiosity - has anyone on this Sabbath forum ever seen a Catholic post these quotes from the CCC on this subject or quote Pope John Paul II - Dies Domini pt 13 as noted below... on this topic - as if to affirm them?

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And of course here they argue their case for "Ten Commandments NOT Abolished" -

2056 The word "Decalogue" means literally "ten words."11 God revealed these "ten words" to his people on the holy mountain. They were written "with the finger of God,"12 unlike the other commandments written by Moses.13 They are pre-eminently the words of God. They are handed on to us in the books of Exodus 14 and Deuteronomy.15 Beginning with the Old Testament, the sacred books refer to the "ten words,"16 but it is in the New Covenant in Jesus Christ that their full meaning will be revealed.

2072 Since they express man's fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations.They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. the Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.

2063.... the words of the Decalogue remain likewise for us Christians. Far from being abolished, they have received amplification and development from the fact of the coming of the Lord in the flesh.26

2068 The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christiansand that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 The Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."29

(Application in James 2)
2069 The Decalogue forms a coherent whole. Each "word" refers to each of the others and to all of them; they reciprocally condition one another. the two tables shed light on one another; they form an organic unity. To transgress one commandment is to infringe all the others.30 One cannot honor another person without blessing God his Creator. One cannot adore God without loving all men, his creatures. the Decalogue brings man's religious and social life into unity.


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As Pope John Paul II argues that "continued" view for the Sabbath Commandment - bent to point to week-day-1


Pope John Paul II

Dies Domini pt 13 -
"the Sabbath ...is therefore rooted in the depths of God's plan. This is why unlike many other laws - it is not within the context of strictly cultic (Jewish) stipulations but within the Decalogue the "ten words" which represent the very pillars of moral life inscribed on the human heart!! In setting this commandment within the context of the basic structure of ethics, Israel and then the church declare that they consider it not just a matter of community religious discipline but a defining and indelible expression of our relationship to God, announced and expounded by biblical revelations.

Notice how well that statement above fits with the other Christian groups on this topic - as noted below in the signature line?

 

[Meowzltov]

Bible interprets bible. Isa 8:20 Isa 28:13. You can rely on those church fathers that were influence by pagan worship, I am not convinced as I am sure you know by now.

The Bible uses the expression the Lord's Day/day of the Lord only one time (Revelation 1:10) and it doesn't say which day of the week it is, so no, the Bible doesn't always interpret the Bible.
Ignatius was a Student of John, and ordained by Peter. Clearly he was taught what the Apostles taught. Yet he stated that they didn't keep the sabbath but instead kept the Lord's Day.

 

[Meowzltov]

"Holy Day of the Lord" - "My Holy Day" -- Son of Man is "Lord of the Sabbath" - "The Lord's Day" -- a distinction without a difference.

It most certainly is not.

 

[Meowzltov]

Even the RCC admits that the Lord's Day as given in the Bible is Saturday - the 7th day of the week, the last day of the week.

It does no such thing. Ignatius states that we do not worship on the sabbath, but rather on the Lord's Day.

 

[sahjimira]

Well, according to the bible Jesus fulfilled the law and especially the shadows (no this does not allow sin). That's also good enough for me. We're suppose to follow believe in the gospel r we not? What the scriptures say about esteeming days is of the doctrine of Jesus Christ given to Paul for Gentiles. The fact are spelled out in letters to the Romans, Galatians and Colossians. We post what is taught as doctrine rather than speculations by so-called prophets that divide Christianity.


Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Since Paul was preaching to gentiles, I heard he meant for the converted gentiles to not be dismayed at being bothered by the unconverted gentiles giving them a hard time for observing the Sabbath etc

 

[BobRyan]

Since Paul was preaching to gentiles, I heard he meant for the converted gentiles to not be dismayed at being bothered by the unconverted gentiles giving them a hard time for observing the Sabbath etc

Col 2 is talking about the problem you also find in Mark 7 - before the cross -- of "making stuff up" notice that it addresses the worship of angels, doctrines that come from pure imagination and the 'commandments of men' according to Col 2.

Christians that happen to follow the teaching of Christ have noticed that He addressed a very similar problem to that in Mark 7.

like this -

QUOTE="BobRyan, post: 68464876, member: 235244"]In Mark 7 - is Christ teaching that the Commandments of God are not all that set in stone - and if man finds some variation, modification to them to be more convenient - then by all means make changes??

QUOTE="BobRyan, post: 68458906, member: 235244"]And does Christ approve of such editing of His Commandments?

Mark 7
6 He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:

‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men —the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”

9 He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 11 But you say, ‘If a man says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban”—’ (that is, a gift to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother, 13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”[/QUOTE]

 

[BobRyan]

"Holy Day of the Lord" - "My Holy Day" -- Son of Man is "Lord of the Sabbath" - "The Lord's Day" -- a distinction without a difference.

Even the RCC admits that the Lord's Day as given in the Bible is Saturday - the 7th day of the week, the last day of the week.

Is 58
“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,


And so do all the other Christian groups listed in the signature line below - admit to this Bible detail

As we see in their own commentary on their Catholic Catechism -

It does no such thing. Ignatius states that we do not worship on the sabbath, but rather on the Lord's Day.

Well your own commentary on your Baltimore Catechism apparently claims the "Lord's Day" as given in the actual Bible - was Saturday - and then edited later by church - tradition sometime after the cross.

And your own Pope John Paul II claims the Lord's Day in the OT -

Dies Domini

From the Sabbath to Sunday

18. Because the Third (the Sabbath) Commandment depends upon the remembrance of God's saving works and because Christians saw the definitive time inaugurated by Christ as a new beginning, they made the first day after the Sabbath a festive day, for that was the day on which the Lord rose from the dead. The Paschal Mystery of Christ is the full revelation of the mystery of the world's origin, the climax of the history of salvation and the anticipation of the eschatological fulfilment of the world. What God accomplished in Creation and wrought for his People in the Exodus has found its fullest expression in Christ's Death and Resurrection, though its definitive fulfilment will not come until the Parousia, when Christ returns in glory. In him, the "spiritual" meaning of the Sabbath is fully realized, as Saint Gregory the Great declares: "For us, the true Sabbath is the person of our Redeemer, our Lord Jesus Christ".(14) This is why the joy with which God, on humanity's first Sabbath, contemplates all that was created from nothing, is now expressed in the joy with which Christ, on Easter Sunday, appeared to his disciples, bringing the gift of peace and the gift of the Spirit (cf. Jn 20:19-23). It was in the Paschal Mystery that humanity, and with it the whole creation, "groaning in birth-pangs until now" (Rom 8:22), came to know its new "exodus" into the freedom of God's children who can cry out with Christ, "Abba, Father!" (Rom 8:15; Gal 4:6). In the light of this mystery, the meaning of the Old Testament precept concerning the Lord's Day is recovered, perfected and fully revealed in the glory which shines on the face of the Risen Christ (cf. 2 Cor 4:6). We move from the "Sabbath" to the "first day after the Sabbath", from the seventh day to the first day: the dies Domini becomes the dies Christi!

And of course your own CCC claims that all TEN of the TEN Commandments are still binding


"Ten Commandments NOT Abolished" -

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2056 The word "Decalogue" means literally "ten words."11 God revealed these "ten words" to his people on the holy mountain. They were written "with the finger of God,"12 unlike the other commandments written by Moses.13 They are pre-eminently the words of God. They are handed on to us in the books of Exodus 14 and Deuteronomy.15 Beginning with the Old Testament, the sacred books refer to the "ten words,"16 but it is in the New Covenant in Jesus Christ that their full meaning will be revealed.

2072 Since they express man's fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations.They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. the Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.

2063.... the words of the Decalogue remain likewise for us Christians. Far from being abolished, they have received amplification and development from the fact of the coming of the Lord in the flesh.26

2068 The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christiansand that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 The Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."29

(Application in James 2)
2069 The Decalogue forms a coherent whole. Each "word" refers to each of the others and to all of them; they reciprocally condition one another. the two tables shed light on one another; they form an organic unity. To transgress one commandment is to infringe all the others.30 One cannot honor another person without blessing God his Creator. One cannot adore God without loving all men, his creatures. the Decalogue brings man's religious and social life into unity.

As Pope John Paul II argues that "continued" view for the Sabbath Commandment - bent to point to week-day-1


Pope John Paul II

Dies Domini pt 13 -
"the Sabbath ...is therefore rooted in the depths of God's plan. This is why unlike many other laws - it is not within the context of strictly cultic (Jewish) stipulations but within the Decalogue the "ten words" which represent the very pillars of moral life inscribed on the human heart!! In setting this commandment within the context of the basic structure of ethics, Israel and then the church declare that they consider it not just a matter of community religious discipline but a defining and indelible expression of our relationship to God, announced and expounded by biblical revelations.============

 

[BobRyan]

It does no such thing. Ignatius states that we do not worship on the sabbath, but rather on the Lord's Day.

Which document for Ignatius makes that claim - that is not a forgery?

The discussion concerning this passage in Kitto's Encyclopedia of Biblical Literature (article Lord's-day) is so full that it is here quoted somewhat at length as follows:



"But we must here notice one other passage of earlier date than any of these, which has often been referred to as bearing on the subject of the Lord's-day, though it certainly contains no mention of it. It occurs in the Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians (about A.D. 100). The whole passage is confessedly obscure, and the text may be corrupt. It has, however, been understood in a totally different sense, and as referring to a distinct subject; and such we confess appears to us to be the most obvious and natural construction of it.



Then follows an analysis of the Greek text, showing that interpolating the word "day" does violence to the Grammatical construction, and to the obvious meaning of the passage. After such an analysis the Encyclopedia adds the following translation of the passage:


"If those who lived under the old dispensation have come to the newness of hope, no longer keeping Sabbaths, but living according to our Lord's life, (in which, as it were, our life has risen again, through him, and his death, [which some deny], through whom we have received the mystery, etc., . . . ) how shall we be able to live without him?" etc.



In this way (allowing for the involved style of the whole) the meaning seems to us simple, consistent, and grammatical, without any gratuitous introduction of words understood; and this view has been followed by many, though it is a subject on which considerable controversy has existed. On this view, the passage does not refer at all to the Lord's-day; but even on the opposite supposition, it cannot be regarded as affording any positive evidence to the early use of the term "Lord’s-day" (for which it is often cited) since the material word it hemera – day - is purely conjectural.It however offers an instance of that species of contrast, which

And even if the forged document were accepted - how does this change the statement made by the RC sources quoted - pointing to the fact that the Lord's day existed in the OT as the 7th day Sabbath?