Why does everyone think Evolution contradicts Creationism?

[joshua 1 9]

Ah yes, the good ol' "There is no contradiction at all in the Bible, if you were a True Scotsman True Christian you would see how the apparent contradictions are actually not." argument.

The vast, vast, vast majority of people do not read the Bible.

 

[Armoured]

The vast, vast, vast majority of people do not read the Bible.

So? I've read it. It's got plenty of contradictions.

 

[joshua 1 9]

So? I've read it. It's got plenty of contradictions.

I never found any contradictions.

 

[Astrophile]

To keep my somewhat lengthy reply briefer than I want, I will say this. I will accept the concept of evolution
(that's macro-evolution for those of you keeping score), when scientists can explain how the Earth has to be very old (i.e. billions of years).

1. Radiometric dating of terrestrial and lunar rocks and meteorites has yielded a maximum age for solar system material of 4568.12 Myr and for terrestrial minerals of 4400 Myr.
2. Varved sediments cover time periods from a few thousand years to millions of years.
3. The sheer cumulative thickness of sedimentary rocks (>10 km for individual systems and >100 km for the sum of the maximum thicknesses of the individual systems) requires deposition over periods of >100 million years.
4. Surface exposures of high-grade metamorphic rocks, formed at depths of 10-40 km or more, require equally long periods of erosion.
5. Geodetic measurements of the movements of the tectonic plates show that times of >100 Myr are required to achieve the geologically observed displacements.
6. The presence of Permo-Carboniferous tillites (glacial deposits) in India, near to the present equator, show that India must have moved through at least 10,000 km since these tillites were formed. At the observed speed of tectonic plates this requires at least 100 Myr.
7. Lorence G. Collins - http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/collins.pdf - has argued that the accumulation of chloride ions in the oceans would require 3600 Myr, and therefore the oceans must be at least this old.
8. The observed recession of the moon from the earth requires 1-10 billion years from an initial state when the moon was close to the earth.
9. The heavy cratering of the moon and the terrestrial planets, combined with calculations of the expected rates of planetary collisions with meteorites and asteroids, requires billions of years.
10. The Widmanstätten structure of iron meteorites yields cooling rates of -2° to -10° per million years and requires cooling times of a few hundred million years.
11. Dynamical analyses of asteroid families yield ages of tens or hundreds of millions of years for these families.
12. The fact that most asteroids are in a state of principal axis rotation implies that they are hundreds or thousands of millions of years old.
13. The frequencies of solar oscillations fit a solar model with an age of 4.57 billion years, in exact agreement with the radiometric ages of meteorites.
14. The recession rates of the galaxies suggest an age for the universe of about 14 billion years.

Please keep this in mind. No one KNOWS how old the Earth, Solar System and Universe are.

The evidence presented above suggests that scientists do know, at least to a good approximation, how old the Earth, Solar System and Universe are.

 

[ArtB]

That is how the terms are defined

cre·a·tion·ism

"the belief that the universe and living organisms originate from specific acts of divine creation, as in the biblical account, rather than by natural processes such as evolution."
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=creationism+definition

"the doctrine that matter and all things were created, substantially as they now exist, by an omnipotent Creator, and not gradually evolved or developed."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/creationism

"a doctrine or theory holding that matter, the various forms of life, and the world were created by God out of nothing and usually in the way described in Genesis "
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/creationism

"The belief that the universe and living organisms originate from specific acts of divine creation, as in the biblical account, rather than by natural processes such as evolution."
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/creationism

I can find more if you want.

Well, both sides can play this way. Enjoy them.

See:

https://www.ldsfocuschrist2.wordpress.com/category/intelligent-design/page/2/

Sincerely,

ArtB

TFFN

 

[ArtB]

That is how the terms are defined

cre·a·tion·ism

"the belief that the universe and living organisms originate from specific acts of divine creation, as in the biblical account, rather than by natural processes such as evolution."
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=creationism+definition

"the doctrine that matter and all things were created, substantially as they now exist, by an omnipotent Creator, and not gradually evolved or developed."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/creationism

"a doctrine or theory holding that matter, the various forms of life, and the world were created by God out of nothing and usually in the way described in Genesis "
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/creationism

"The belief that the universe and living organisms originate from specific acts of divine creation, as in the biblical account, rather than by natural processes such as evolution."
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/creationism

I can find more if you want.

 

[ArtB]

Not necessary Loudmouth, we both laid out our views, I'm not here to annoy you, I sincerely wish you the best of this one life you believe have - may you prosper and joy! I have many lives to go.

 

[Armoured]

I never found any contradictions.

Want a list?

 

[ThorinSmolderingshield]

I'm a Christian who believes in theistic evolution and I don't know many non-fundamentalists who believe otherwise. If Jesus used parables all over the NT, I have no problem believing that the OT is similar in that regard. I actually cringe sometimes when I hear some of the things YEC say. It's fine to have your beliefs, but to mock and insult scientists and act like you are a million times smarter than people who have dedicated their lives to this stuff is pretty petty. Granted, this isn't most of YEC, just a select few.

Evolution has been fairly well supported, and I really don't think it's some sort of salvation issue to accept science.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hello and welcome to CF!

If Jesus used parables all over the NT, I have no problem believing that the OT is similar in that regard.

Can you give me an instance where the Bible either: 1) does not warn us ahead of time that a parable is coming, or 2) does not explain it later?*

* Examples:

1. Luke 6:39a And he spake a parable unto them,
2. Galatians 4:24a Which things are an allegory:

 

[Astrophile]

Well, both sides can play this way. Enjoy them.

See:

https://www.ldsfocuschrist2.wordpress.com/category/intelligent-design/page/2/

Sincerely,

ArtB

TFFN

When I clicked on this I found a warning that it was dangerous and that people were trying to steal my identity.

 

[malvina]

If I were an all powerful being who wanted to create something as big and beautiful as the ENTIRE UNIVERSE... I would NEVER do it all by hand. I'd be too smart for that. First, I'd create the Laws of Physics, chemistry, etc. Then I would design a mechanism by which life of all forms can flourish.... IE... Evolution.

To me, Evolution is proof of creationism. It is proof that there is an Omniscient, Omnipotent being out there.

Most people who don't believe in evolution say "it's just a theory, it hasn't been proven" Which is a blatant misunderstanding of the word "theory". In scientific terms, a theory is something that has been proven, but not quantified (As opposed to a Law which is always true in every instance and can be calculated). It happens folks. No amount of whining and moaning can un-prove or undo evolution. So instead of believing that it is some affront to God, why not realize that Evolution is actually God's work?

We've seen evolution in our lifetimes. On microbial scale, we see things like algae being coaxed into evolving into fuel producing species. As humans, we've had a hand in the evolution of Dogs. We chose the ones that are loyal and that look nice, and the rest were routinely killed off. Even an astute person can see how traits are passed down from human parent to human child. We see hundreds or thousands of versions of the same plants and animals in different regions of the world.

So lets look at this differently.

Evolution does not disprove creationism, it is the mechanism. Science is how were discover God's universe. It is not the unholy tool by which we unravel God. It is God's tool by which we discover HIM!

 

[malvina]

This is beautiful and amazing http://www.kjvbible.org/index.html

 

[As I was saying]

We've seen evolution in our lifetimes. On microbial scale, we see things like algae being coaxed into evolving into fuel producing species. As humans, we've had a hand in the evolution of Dogs. We chose the ones that are loyal and that look nice, and the rest were routinely killed off. Even an astute person can see how traits are passed down from human parent to human child. We see hundreds or thousands of versions of the same plants and animals in different regions of the world.

Wow that is a new one. Evolution is man randomly killing of dogs. I will add that to the other 101 theories about evolution.

 

[As I was saying]

Why wouldn't it?

Wasn't Thalidomide a "well attested fact"?

Wasn't L'Aquila a "well attested fact"?

Wasn't Pluto a "well attested fact"?

Wasn't Phlogiston theory a "well attested fact"?

Wasn't geocentrism a "well attested fact"?

And don't forget the Piltdown Man that was proclaimed the missing link for 50 years and then it was pronounced it was a hoax.

 

[As I was saying]

What God does and says, and what his imperfect followers and believers say and write down are two different things.

How do you know?

 

[AV1611VET]

And don't forget the Piltdown Man that was proclaimed the missing link for 50 years and then it was pronounced it was a hoax.

Same for Nebraska Man.

 

[Armoured]

Wow that is a new one. Evolution is man randomly killing of dogs. I will add that to the other 101 theories about evolution.

*weakly* huh?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Want a list?

It would just be a list of things you do not understand because you do not allow The Holy Spirit of God to guide you and to lead you into the truth. It is God that gives us wisdom, knowledge and understanding.

 

[Armoured]

It would just be a list of things you do not understand because you do not allow The Holy Spirit of God to guide you and to lead you into the truth. It is God that gives us wisdom, knowledge and understanding.

No, it would be a list of stuff in the Bible that straight up contradicts other stuff in the Bible.