[PERMANENTLY CLOSED] When should we change our reasoning / beliefs?

[bhsmte]

Define what you mean by an objective test and give some examples.

Then we will answer this question.

Objective would mean, independently able to verify.

 

[bhsmte]

Empty tomb for one. Need some more?

How do you know what some anonymous author wrote about the resurrection is reliable?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Empty tomb for one. Need some more?

What evidence do you have of an empty tomb?

 

[anonymous person]

Objective would mean, independently able to verify.

What does that mean?

 

[anonymous person]

How do you know what some anonymous author wrote about the resurrection is reliable?

What do you mean by anonymous author?

 

[anonymous person]

What evidence do you have of an empty tomb?

google "evidence for the empty tomb".

 

[ToddNotTodd]

google "evidence for the empty tomb".

So you don't actually have any evidence that you can point out. That's cool...

 

[anonymous person]

So you don't actually have any evidence that you can point out. That's cool...

Sure. It is on the internet. I have the internet. You have the internet. Google it.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Sure. It is on the internet. I have the internet. You have the internet. Google it.

You're the one making the positive claim. I'm not going to do your work for you. Man up and present something for me to respond to.

 

[anonymous person]

You're the one making the positive claim. I'm not going to do your work for you. Man up and present something for me to respond to.

I have done the research so my work is done.

I have given you the means to find what it is you ask for. If you are sincere and want to know you will ask seek and knock.

If not then you will find an excuse as to why you shouldn't.

Besides, I would not want the thread to be shutdown. This is not general apologetics.

I wish you well.

 

[bhsmte]

What do you mean by anonymous author?

Just that, anonymous.

The vast majority of NT scholars agree, the gospels were penned by anonymous authors. In other words, no one knows who wrote them.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

I have done the research so my work is done.

I have given you the means to find what it is you ask for. If you are sincere and want to know you will ask seek and knock.

If not then you will find an excuse as to why you shouldn't.

Besides, I would not want the thread to be shutdown. This is not general apologetics.

I wish you well.

I wish you well, as well.

Oh, you might want to google "empty tomb evidence criticism". It's quite enlightening...

 

[anonymous person]

Just that, anonymous.

The vast majority of NT scholars agree, the gospels were penned by anonymous authors. In other words, no one knows who wrote them.

Really.

Do the vast majority of NT scholars affirm that "no one knows who wrote the gospels", or is that the conclusion you drew from the fact that the gospels do not contain the authors names within the main body of text (because that is what anonymous in this discussion means).

If they do affirm this then surely you can supply references that will bear this out.

 

[anonymous person]

I wish you well, as well.

Oh, you might want to google "empty tomb evidence criticism". It's quite enlightening...

I have.

 

[quatona]

google "evidence for the empty tomb".

I did, and I googled "flat earth evidence", also.
The first gave me roughly 24.000 results, the latter roughly 5.000.000 results.
What do you think should be the next step?

 

[Davian]

google "evidence for the empty tomb".

I'll humour you.

I did google this, some time ago, and came up with this:

"So you’re asking for non-canonical sources. I think one reason Bill didn’t want to answer is because the non-canonical sources don’t bear out his position. The non- canonical pagan sources in fact never refer to the resurrection of Jesus until centuries later. Jesus actually never appears any non-canonical pagan source until 80 years after his death. So clearly he didn’t make a big impact on the pagan world. The Jewish historian Josephus mentions Jesus but didn’t believe in his resurrection. There are non-canonical Christian sources that talk about the resurrection, but unfortunately virtually all of them that narrate the event, although they are non-canonical Gospels, narrate the event in a way that disagrees with Bill’s reconstruction. They don’t believe that Jesus was physically, bodily raised from the dead. For evidence of that simply read the account of the Second Treatise of the Great Seth or read the account the Coptic Apocalypse of Peter; just go down the line. We do have one account in which Jesus comes out of the tomb. It’s in the Gospel of Peter; it’s an apocalyptic account. Jesus comes out of the tomb as tall as the skyscraper; following him is a cross which speaks to the heavens, clearly a legendary account of very little use to historians wanting to know what happened."

Read more: Is There Historical Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus? The Craig-Ehrman Debate | Reasonable Faith.org

 

[anonymous person]

I did, and I googled "flat earth evidence", also.
The first gave me roughly 24.000 results, the latter roughly 5.000.000 results.
What do you think should be the next step?

Depends on what your motives and intentions are and what you are searching for.

Only you know that, so asking me is of no consequence.

Thanks.

 

[anonymous person]

I'll humour you.

I did google this, some time ago, and came up with this:

"So you’re asking for non-canonical sources. I think one reason Bill didn’t want to answer is because the non-canonical sources don’t bear out his position. The non- canonical pagan sources in fact never refer to the resurrection of Jesus until centuries later. Jesus actually never appears any non-canonical pagan source until 80 years after his death. So clearly he didn’t make a big impact on the pagan world. The Jewish historian Josephus mentions Jesus but didn’t believe in his resurrection. There are non-canonical Christian sources that talk about the resurrection, but unfortunately virtually all of them that narrate the event, although they are non-canonical Gospels, narrate the event in a way that disagrees with Bill’s reconstruction. They don’t believe that Jesus was physically, bodily raised from the dead. For evidence of that simply read the account of the Second Treatise of the Great Seth or read the account the Coptic Apocalypse of Peter; just go down the line. We do have one account in which Jesus comes out of the tomb. It’s in the Gospel of Peter; it’s an apocalyptic account. Jesus comes out of the tomb as tall as the skyscraper; following him is a cross which speaks to the heavens, clearly a legendary account of very little use to historians wanting to know what happened."

Read more: Is There Historical Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus? The Craig-Ehrman Debate | Reasonable Faith.org

So?

 

[quatona]

Depends on what your motives and intentions are and what you are searching for.

Ah, so your recommended approach starts with "google it" and ends there, as well. You must be pretty young.
Btw., the first result I get is this:
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/empty.html

Only you know that, so asking me is of no consequence.

I figured that asking you was of no consequence nor use already when you had responded to the request for evidence for your assertions was "google it!".

 

[anonymous person]

Ah, so your recommended approach starts with "google it" and ends there, as well. You must be pretty young.
Btw., the first result I get is this:
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/empty.html

Yes. That is the first result I got as well.

We have this in common.

I figured that asking you was of no consequence nor use already when you had responded to the request for evidence for your assertions was "google it!".

Yet you asked anyway. Are you bored?