[PERMANENTLY CLOSED] When should we change our reasoning / beliefs?

[Davian]

So our individual psyche determines when our beliefs change. We have no choice in the matter.

Is this what you're saying?

It is my understanding that the modern philosophy of mind would have what we experience as having made conscious decisions as only a narrative constructed by the brain.

From http://www.naturalism.org/metzinger.htm

The unsettling point about modern philosophy of mind and the cognitive neuroscience of will, already apparent even at this early stage, is that a final theory may contradict the way we have been subjectively experiencing ourselves for millennia. There will likely be a conflict between the scientific view of the acting self and the phenomenal narrative, the subjective story our brains tell us about what happens when we decide to act. (p. 127)

From a scientific, third-person perspective, our inner experience of strong autonomy may look increasingly like what it has been all along: an appearance only. (p. 129)

 

[Chriliman]

Sure there is another option, besides using the term "assume" which tends to mean someone assumes something without applying much thought to it.

I simply have no reason to believe a God exists, based on a lack of evidence to show a God exists.

I would look up the definition of assume, which basically means to "take for granted". I DO NOT take for granted that there is a lack of evidence to convince me to believe in a God, because I have examined the available evidence and claims.

Assume simply means to suppose the case without proof.

So by now shouldn't you expect the evidence to come directly from God Himself, since its unreasonable to expect a finite human who is not God, to present convincing evidence to you? Since this is reasonable to expect you can now assume(suppose the case without proof) God exists and that He will present proof to you of His existence, because this would make sense for a God to do this. Once you choose to assume God exists, things will start to become more clear, but it might not be easy don't forget evil only wants to keep you blinded.

This is all I have for you until I learn more.

 

[bhsmte]

Assume simply means to suppose the case without proof.

So by now shouldn't you expect the evidence to come directly from God Himself, since its unreasonable to expect a finite human who is not God, to present convincing evidence to you? Since this is reasonable to expect you can now assume(suppose the case without proof) God exists and that He will present proof to you of His existence, because this would make sense for a God to do this. Once you choose to assume God exists, things will start to become more clear, but it might not be easy don't forget evil only wants to keep you blinded.

This is all I have for you until I learn more.

I already spent most of my life assuming the Christian God existed. When I broadened my knowledge base of the Christian theology and acquired new information, it became quite clear, my assumption of this God existing was wrong and this was based on not assuming anything, but learning real knowledge.

So please stop, pretending to know what i assume or don't assume, I am getting tired of your failed mind reading skills.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

So by now shouldn't you expect the evidence to come directly from God Himself, since its unreasonable to expect a finite human who is not God, to present convincing evidence to you?

Noooo. If a god demonstrably exists, then any evidence is available for any "finite" (whatever that means) human to present.

Since this is reasonable to expect you can now assume(suppose the case without proof) God exists and that He will present proof to you of His existence, because this would make sense for a God to do this.

If a god expects me to assume it exists before it presents evidence of it's existence, then it is an idiot. An intelligent god would understand that an infinite number of contradictory gods could be postulated, and that assuming all of them exist until proven false is tantamount to insanity...

 

[anonymous person]

I already spent most of my life assuming the Christian God existed. When I broadened my knowledge base of the Christian theology and acquired new information, it became quite clear, my assumption of this God existing was wrong and this was based on not assuming anything, but learning real knowledge.

So please stop, pretending to know what i assume or don't assume, I am getting tired of your failed mind reading skills.

What was this real knowledge that you acquired that forced you to change your mind regarding God's existence? I'm curious.

 

[anonymous person]

Noooo. If a god demonstrably exists, then any evidence is available for any "finite" (whatever that means) human to present.



If a god expects me to assume it exists before it presents evidence of it's existence, then it is an idiot. An intelligent god would understand that an infinite number of contradictory gods could be postulated, and that assuming all of them exist until proven false is tantamount to insanity...

JESUS OF NAZARETH.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

JESUS OF NAZARETH.

ZEUS OF MOUNT OLYMPUS

Your turn...

 

[bhsmte]

What was this real knowledge that you acquired that forced you to change your mind regarding God's existence? I'm curious.

What basically spurred my renewed review of Christianity and it's claims, was a long and thorough review of the NT, from a scholarly and historical standpoint. I actually started to study the NT looking for clarity and it turned into a discovery of information about the same, that was very eye opening to me.

This caused me to reevaluate my faith belief and overlay my new knowledge, with the basic Christian theology, to the realities of the world. When I did this, it got to a point, where I could no longer reconcile the Christian theology, as believable.

 

[Chriliman]

ZEUS OF MOUNT OLYMPUS

Your turn...

After 2000 years you would think humans would be intelligent enough to actually figure out if Jesus of Nazareth is actually a false God, like we've determined that Zeus of Mount Olympus is a false god. For some reason after 2000 years we just haven't figured it out, maybe just maybe you're wrong about Jesus of Nazareth and your right about Zeus and all the other false gods.

 

[Chriliman]

What basically spurred my renewed review of Christianity and it's claims, was a long and thorough review of the NT, from a scholarly and historical standpoint. I actually started to study the NT looking for clarity and it turned into a discovery of information about the same, that was very eye opening to me.

This caused me to reevaluate my faith belief and overlay my new knowledge, with the basic Christian theology, to the realities of the world. When I did this, it got to a point, where I could no longer reconcile the Christian theology, as believable.

This is why true Christians don't solely rely on the NT for truth, we rely on the entire Bible. I'd suggest you read up on end time prophecy and see how closely connected the NT is with the OT. I'd suggest Mideast Beast. Very eye opening!

 

[bhsmte]

This is why true Christians don't solely rely on the NT for truth, we rely on the entire Bible. I'd suggest you read up on end time prophecy and see how closely connected the NT is with the OT. I'd suggest Mideast Beast. Very eye opening!

Any critical examination of the bible is eye opening.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

After 2000 years you would think humans would be intelligent enough to actually figure out if Jesus of Nazareth is actually a false God, like we've determined that Zeus of Mount Olympus is a false god. For some reason after 2000 years we just haven't figured it out, maybe just maybe you're wrong about Jesus of Nazareth and your right about Zeus and all the other false gods.

How do you determine that Zeus is a false god?

 

[Chriliman]

Any critical examination of the bible is eye opening.

Very true!

 

[Chriliman]

How do you determine that Zeus is a false god?

Because if I were to assume Zeus existed and do any research on Zeus I would determine he doesn't make sense and that would be my reasoning for not believing in Zeus.

The more you learn about our universe and our existence and the more you learn about God of the Holy Bible, you begin to realize He does make a whole lot of sense and you'd be unreasonable to not believe in Him. It all starts from a place of honesty and really thinking about everything in life and how all this could actually be possible. Take a step back and reanalyze your perspective. This is what I did and I found a truth that actually makes sense of everything, it especially makes sense of good and evil and what it even means to exist.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Because if I were to assume Zeus existed and do any research on Zeus I would determine he doesn't make sense and that would be my reasoning for not believing in Zeus.

The more you learn about our universe and our existence and the more you learn about God of the Holy Bible, you begin to realize He does make a whole lot of sense and you'd be unreasonable to not believe in Him. It all starts from a place of honesty and really thinking about everything in life and how all this could actually be possible. Take a step back and reanalyze your perspective. This is what I did and I found a truth that actually makes sense of everything, it especially makes sense of good and evil and what it even means to exist.

So you haven't done any research to determine that Zeus is a false god?

I think if you went ahead and believed, and then asked Zeus for signs that he exists you'll be pleasantly surprised that he does. And then you'll stop believing in your false god.

 

[Chriliman]

What research have you done to determine that Zeus is a false god?


So you haven't done any research to determine that Zeus is a false god?

I think if you went ahead and believed, and then asked Zeus for signs that he exists you'll be pleasantly surprised that he does. And then you'll stop believing in your false god.

Do reasonable people claim Zeus is god where you live?

I have no reason to research Zeus as a legitimate god, because I've never come across a reasonable person saying they've experienced his presence or understanding.

Plenty of reasonable people believe in God, so at least its worth researching how God could makes sense of the biggest questions in life. Yes I understand that just because reasonable people believe doesn't mean its true, but at least this is a reason to honestly investigate it for yourself.

 

[bhsmte]

Do reasonable people claim Zeus is god where you live?

I have no reason to research Zeus as a legitimate god, because I've never come across a reasonable person saying they've experienced his presence or understanding.

Plenty of reasonable people believe in God, so at least its worth researching how God could makes sense of the biggest questions in life. Yes I understand that just because reasonable people believe doesn't mean its true, but at least this is a reason to honestly investigate it for yourself.

Do you often choose to just go along with what other people believe?

 

[Chriliman]

Do you often choose to just go along with what other people believe?

No, did you miss this sentence that I wrote "Yes I understand that just because reasonable people believe doesn't mean its true, but at least this is a reason to honestly investigate it for yourself."

 

[bhsmte]

No, did you miss this sentence that I wrote "Yes I understand that just because reasonable people believe doesn't mean its true, but at least this is a reason to honestly investigate it for yourself."

What is your objective test to determine if a person is "reasonable"?

 

[quatona]

Plenty of reasonable people believe in God, so at least its worth researching how God could makes sense of the biggest questions in life. Yes I understand that just because reasonable people believe doesn't mean its true, but at least this is a reason to honestly investigate it for yourself.

Plenty of otherwise reasonable people do and believe a lot of surprisingly unreasonable things.
As long as those reasonable people do not present reasonable arguments for their particular beliefs in question there´s nothing for us to investigate.