it is difficult for me to understand how agreement was made earlier with Hillsage who declared that both man and Satan were made exactly as they are now -
Yes, I know it is hard for you to agree to that, but anything less than that, puts God in the light of being caught by surprise, or going oops, or making a mistake. And that I can't see.
To suggest He did not do so would mean one thinks He did not do His Best and that simply by His Choice He created things less than perfect.
That's what you see though, if He didn't create someone perfect from the beginning you seem to see it as "not being His best".
But what we call His best and what He calls His best can be two different things. You and I were both born in sin and tresspasses were we not? Born that way,....but look at what He has done for us in Giving us His Son.
It has always been God's way to save the best for last. Remember the marriage at cana?
Joh 2:9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted
the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
Joh 2:10 And saith unto him,
Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse:
but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
If we were made perfect from the start how could we have ever fallen? Perfection does not fall. And the scripture in Ezk. that everyone wants to use to discribe satan's fall, notice it says he was "perfect in all
Thy/your ways" but it does not say God's ways. The same as it denotes here that...
Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years,
and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
So why did God make angels and us. Clearly not all the angels revolted as some are clearly "with" Him not. Which means for at least those angels, He made those spirits to enjoy(be Happy with Him) and adore Him in Heaven. If one imagines (like Hillsage) a different subset of angels created by God as they are now, then clearly the purpose for making that group of angels cannot be the same as the one just mentioned. The same is true for mankind (to know, love and serve Him and share in His eternally Happiness). If one agrees with Hillsage, then that purpose does not fit because in his opinion we (in Adam) were never originally created perfectly, but can only eventually obtain such perfection.
I know that you think that angels are beings in the heavens way beyond the milky way (as weve been taught) probably having wings as in the pictures we see, the images of angels are everywhere. But I don't see them that way. I believe that angels are who we are wheither in the physical realm or the Spiritual realm. When you hear the word angel immediately this image appears in your mind, am I right? Simply put, I believe angels are who we are in the Spirit, we are human here in this world. We each have our own ....for a lack of better words....counterpart....and that choosing was intirely God, before the world began. Some were chosen to be a vessel of honor for the purpose of God, and some were chosen to be a vessel of dishonor for the purpose of God, so that in the end none of us can boast of ourselves, that we had anything to do with our own salvation. We are all messengers of God wheither for the good or for evil. Consider this. The two different realms.
Gen 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply
thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as
the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
This is no doubt through His Son Jesus Christ, for He is The Seed, The Word of God.
mal-awk'
From an unused root meaning
to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically of God, that is, an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher): - ambassador, angel, king, messenger.
As you can see angels can very well be prophet, priest or teacher, in the Greek it also says preachers.
Now is there any wonder why we will judge angels? There are messengers all around us all the time, we must discern the difference.
Mar_12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage;
but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Luk_20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
The same is true for mankind (to know, love and serve Him and share in His eternally Happiness). If one agrees with Hillsage, then that purpose does not fit because in his opinion we (in Adam) were never originally created perfectly, but can only eventually obtain such perfection.
I have to ask you something about this statement. Do you think that God ever had anything other than His Son/Word in mind when we are talking about Perfection? IOW....could there ever be any perfection without Him?
Col 1:15
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead;
that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Col 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 
