Science Says NO to Evolution Theory!

[Oncedeceived]

By denying it at every term and claiming that an intelligent designer was necessary to create each individual branch of creatures? Correct me if I have your position wrong, but it's essentially that mutations and natural selection cannot produce the variation we see here, is it not? Really, I just picked two people at random who came to mind that I knew regularly posted against evolution. I could have mentioned MikeEnders or Justlookinla or Lifepsyop (haven't seen him around recently) just as easily. There are plenty of people here who go to bat for the creationist cause, even the young earth creationist cause; you may not have been the best example.

So let me get this straight, someone claims that evolution is not a mindless, unguided, undirected process with no goals or plans that is putting it in a bad light? Seriously?

 

[AV1611VET]

So let me get this straight, someone claims that evolution is not a mindless, unguided, undirected process with no goals or plans that is putting it in a bad light? Seriously?

Evolution is intelligent design.

Specifically: connect-the-dots.

It takes computers to keep everything straight.

And it takes software to make changes as necessary to make everything fit.

 

[The Cadet]

So let me get this straight, someone claims that evolution is not a mindless, unguided, undirected process with no goals or plans that is putting it in a bad light? Seriously?

Waitaminute. Do you accept universal common ancestry, descent with modification, and natural selection.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Evolution is intelligent design.

Specifically: connect-the-dots.

It takes computers to keep everything straight.

And it takes software to make changes as necessary to make everything fit.

 

[RickG]

Ahhhhh, I see. Yes, we can never put the entire article up.

Also, with published pictures, graphs, etc., source citation must be given.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I'm thankful the KJB doesn't come with a copyright.

 

[whois]

The article is open access, thus there is no reason why you you should not be free to discuss it giving proper citation. In fact, you can download it for your own private use. What you did was copy and paste the entire article making it available outside of NCBI or designated sites to display it, which is forbidden and stated so on the NCBI site.

i'm only telling you what the moderation told me.
the last i checked, "the origin at 150" is a premium article from NCBI

As for your comment about his quote on the origin of life research, I couldn't find any such statement.

this quote is sourced from koonins book "the logic of chance"

I would suggest messaging the moderator who discussed this with you and ask for clarification, and cite my posts concerning this discussion if you like. I certainly don't know, but I think there may be a misunderstanding on what the moderator was conveying, but for sure, posting the entire article here was a really big no no. Good luck.

i tried to discuss this with the moderator in question.
he was adamat about me not using the quotes from "the origin" and specifically told me that he didn't want to argue with me about it and "to leave koonin out of it".

i honestly cannot see why ANYONE would want to stifle the truth in this matter

 

[whois]

Christian Forums has told you can't upload it and told you to "leave Koonin out of it"?

they told me i could not used quotes from the article, and they removed the post where i uploaded it.
they expressly said "to leave koonin out of it".

it isn't going to do the cadet any good though, because koonin isn't the only scientist that feels the way he does.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Waitaminute. Do you accept universal common ancestry, descent with modification, and natural selection.

I believe none of the evolutionary processes are mindless, unguided, or undirected without a plan or a goal.

 

[Oncedeceived]

they told me i could not used quotes from the article, and they removed the post where i uploaded it.
they expressly said "to leave koonin out of it".

it isn't going to do the cadet any good though, because koonin isn't the only scientist that feels the way he does.

So you did upload the entire thing? I don't however understand how this admin would tell you to leave Koonin out of it...strange.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Also, with published pictures, graphs, etc., source citation must be given.

Yes, the source wasn't given?

 

[whois]

So you did upload the entire thing?

yes, because i was sick and tired of the cadet accusing me of "quote mining" and misrepresentation.
both the quote AND the upload was removed by CF staff.

I don't however understand how this admin would tell you to leave Koonin out of it...strange.

well, he did.

they even said something about a "forum specific" ban, apparently banning me from this entire subforum.

why do you suppose that is?

i really can't help it if these scientists are saying painful things, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE HEARD.

 

[whois]

So you did upload the entire thing?

yes, because i was sick and tired of the cadet accusing me of "quote mining" and misrepresentation.
both the quote AND the upload was removed by CF staff.

I don't however understand how this admin would tell you to leave Koonin out of it...strange.

well, he did.

they even said something about a "forum specific" ban, apparently banning me from this entire subforum.

why do you suppose that is?

i really can't help it if these scientists are saying painful things, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE HEARD.

 

[Loudmouth]

Let me give you an example. The Establishment of religion clause was designed to protect Religion from the Government. Yet the Supreme court interferes with our freedom of religion all the time. The ban prayer in school, they ban a open public display of the 10 commandment and other similar issues.

Having a government employee compel children to partake in a religious ceremony is one of the clearest types of violations of the 1st Amendment that there is. Those same teachers are still allowed to pray on their own time and outside of class time. Why is this such a problem? Would you be ok with a teacher leading the class in a Satanic ritual? If not, then you are only wanting privileges for your religion over others.

As to displays of religion on government property, the same applies.

Even their is a problem with the constitution if they did follow it. This all represents man and man's law. Soon Jesus will return and for 1000 years the government shall be upon His shoulder. So God will once again be in control and it will no longer be man trying to run the show. I do not question that man wants to get it right, but only God is able to get the job done.

People have being saying that Jesus will return at any moment for 1,500 years now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_and_claims_for_the_Second_Coming_of_Christ

 

[Loudmouth]

there were no names mentioned when the mods said my quoting of koonin was generating reports.
but by the tone of the PMs it was clear that it was YOU that was reporting the posts i made.
also, the moderation was under the impression that what i posted wasn't up to date research and what the current research revealed.

as you can see, keeping me from posting koonin, didn't help you and your cause at all.

All I have asked is that you use primary articles written by Koonin instead of by journalists.

 

[Loudmouth]

i'm only telling you what the moderation told me.
the last i checked, "the origin at 150" is a premium article from NCBI

It is found here for free:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2784144/

 

[Oncedeceived]

yes, because i was sick and tired of the cadet accusing me of "quote mining" and misrepresentation.
both the quote AND the upload was removed by CF staff.

well, he did.

they even said something about a "forum specific" ban, apparently banning me from this entire subforum.

why do you suppose that is?

i really can't help it if these scientists are saying painful things, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE HEARD.

I see. Quote mining accusations are a common tactic. If it was the entire that would explain it being deleted. I am still unsure what to make of the other things involved.

 

[Oncedeceived]

All I have asked is that you use primary articles written by Koonin instead of by journalists.

Why do you think journalists misrepresent him?

 

[whois]

It is found here for free:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2784144/

well, here's a shining example of the splendid double standard at work, right here at CF.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Having a government employee compel children to partake in a religious ceremony is one of the clearest types of violations of the 1st Amendment that there is.

Yet no one protested for hundreds of years. Imagine that. [/QUOTE]

People have being saying that Jesus will return at any moment for 1,500 years now.

Now you are a part of forfilled prophecy.

2pet3:3 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming?