Once Saved Always Saved: Fact or Fiction?

[FreeGrace2]

*of course we can't save ourselves. as I posted earlier we are saved by (His) grace through (our) faith. we must confess with our mouths and believe in our hearts; therefore salvation is conditional on our accepting same. Nowhere does the Bible suggest anyone gets saved accidently or unknowingly. As stated earlier, accepting salvation is a conscious choice. logically anyone who chooses X may change their mind later. as stated earlier we are not automatons, we are independent entities with freedom to choose.

This opinion is NOT found in Scripture, but only in the minds of the insecurity crowd. Such a view is tantamount to giving away by choice our salvation. That treats salvation as nothing more than an object, like a coin, that CAN be lost or given away.

Salvation includes many Unchangeable things: obtaining eternal life, becomeing a new creature, being born AGAIN, being justified. Where does the Bible indicate that any of these things can be undone?

again; is salvation forced on us? no, we had the choice to accept or reject.

See above. We accept it, and God does all the rest. Things we can NOT undo.

so if a person one time 'consents and obeys' the rest of his life's decisions are irrelevant?

Of course not. In the context of Isa 1:19-20, there are consequences for either choice. For those who consent and obey, they will be blessed (rewarded), and for those who refuse and rebel, they will suffer divine discipline.

if God were in 'complete control' of everything He would stop all sin now.

This is incredibly naive. Of course He is sovereign. But He permits sin to occur. Your statement insinuates that He can't control sin. lol

He is ABLE to control everything, but He allows us room to make mistakes, hoping we will turn things around. 'He did not treat us as our sins deserve'.

Yes.

okay, just for the sake of argument let's say this only applies to the tribulation time. is the principle not the same? if one doesn't endure til the end of the trib is salvation lost? might a saved person not choose to take the mark?

The issue in the verse is about being saved from what. The context is NOT about eternal salvation of our souls. It is a huge mistake to assume that the word "save" or "salvation" always refers to eternal salvation. Most of the time it refers to physical or temporal deliverance from some danger. Discernment sees the difference.

there are three places; Heaven, Earth, and the grave/sheol. sheol is divided into two parts, Abraham's Bosom, and Hades. there is a gulf but the places are close enough to communicate; remember the rich man calling on Abraham? Samuel is telling him that he will be in the grave, not on earth.

Why in the world would a prophet of God who went to Paradise, or Abraham's bosom, only speak of physical death. That would be ridiculous. But for the insecurity crowd, that would be the ONLY way to deal with what Sam said to Saul.

In fact, Sam told Saul that he would be in Paradise with him the next day.

again, our salvation will not be removed by God, and it may not be affected by any outside force (demonic, human, etc.) since salvation is based on personal acceptance it is subject to subsequent personal rejection.

Again, there are NO verses that teach such a thing.

How about Ezekiel 18 which suggests that if a righteous man turns away from God his righteousness will not be remembered and we will die in his sins? how can a man be righteous without God?

Really grabbing at straws here. The dying here is physical death from divine discipline.

Earlier I quoted Revelation in re; name being blotted out. I understand the Bible occasionally uses symbolism and whatever that litorate word was you used, but the meaning in this verse is so clear I can't accept that it signifies anything else than what it states.
Ex 32:33:
"And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book."

The word is litotes. I recommend looking it up. But anyone is free to accept or reject whatever they want to.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Our belief/faith received Jesus Christ.

Our unbelief/faithlessness can reject Him.

Rejecting Him as a saved, born again, regenerated, justified person does NOT result in loss of salvation.

There are no verses that teach such a thing.

 

[FreeGrace2]

This scripture right here settles the debate of OSAS. Christ said many will try to enter the narrow gate, and will not make it. These are Christians, many will not make it in.

What a false assumption!

 

[gigman7]

Someone did answer you. Just like Romans 11:29, it went over your head a few pages back.

LOL, j/k.

Eh, the only ones who have responded were the ones who said they'd like to hear an answer also.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Practical Problems With OSAS

August 29, 2013, posted by Matthew Murphy

Note: It should be obvious from the content of the post, but the version of OSAS that I am arguing against in this post is what has been termed by some as the ‘Alpha View’. It is the view that a singular moment of faith is enough to guarantee an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our God, no matter what; no matter how you live after you initially place your faith in Christ, your salvation will never be in jeopardy. Two notable proponents of this view are R. T. Kendall and Charles Stanley.

<Staff Edit>

http://evangelicalarminians.org/practical-problems-with-osas/


Luke 13:23-27
23 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”

And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ 26 then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ 27 But He will say,‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’

OSAS refuted in Luke 13:23-27

All of this is refuted by the simple fact that eternal life is a gift from God, received by faith in Christ and is irrevocable.

 

[gigman7]

Well, for once you have no problem understanding something.

Marvin,

How about this scenario. You raised a son up well. Did well in school, showed a lot of godly qualities, never had problems with the law, always helping others, etc.

At age 20, he left to be on his own. A few years later, he started hanging out with the wrong crowd. Starts using drugs, alcohol, smoking. Starts committing crimes, robbed a few banks, shoplifts regularly. Finally gets into a brawl and killed someone. Instead of going to the police, he comes back to you. Tells you everything he's done the last few years.

Do you still know this kid? He's your son. You knew him once. Do you know this new person he's become?

This sounds like the oxymoron relationship you've described doesn't it? OSAS won't get anyone out of this mess.

There's the most important thing you said in this whole thing. He never had to become your son again. If we become a child of God, we are always a child of God, meaning a Christian, or meaning saved. We are all going to sin. We never stop sinning. Bit we also never stop being a child of God(being saved).

 

[FreeGrace2]

The prodigal son did not harden his heart to the point where he once and for all terminated his relationship with his father.

Whoa! Hold on there!! It seems there is a very big disconnect in the meaning of relationship. Parent-child relationship CANNOT be severed, terminated, lost, undone. Period.

Fellowship CAN be. The difference is huge and it seems most or all in the insecurity camp don't know the difference.

Can any in the insecurity camp undo their birth parents? No. The DNA is fixed, permanent. That is the same principle in the spiritual sense.

As God is our spiritual Father, and we are His spiritual children, that RELATIONSHIP cannot be altered or changed or undone.

The issue is fellowship, as John noted clearly in 1 John 1.

He came back in repentance. This is not the person that Hebrews 6 is talking about. The prodigal son actually did not reject or terminate his relationship with his father in the first place.

In fact, the prodigal did terminate his fellowship with his father when he left. By the very fact of requesting his share of his inheritance, he was actually saying, in effect, "I wish you were dead already, but since you aren't and I want to leave and go have some fun, just give me my inheritance now." That is exactly how the Jewish society of Jesus' time would have understood what the prodigal was asking. He was most definitely breaking fellowship with his father.

But notice that throughout the parable, the son continued to be the son, and the father continued to be the father.

 

[outsidethecamp]

"Saving Faith", is not a singular moment of faith. You don't "raise your hand", "walk the aisle", "say a prayer", and "get your ticket punched" and everything is good after that. Spiritual regeneration is a radical event in one's life where you pass from death unto life and you become a new creation, with a new heart. Spiritual fruit is to be the result from true regeneration, for without Jesus you can do nothing (can't produce fruit, only religious, fleshly works. Counterfeit fruit). There is nothing intellectual about getting "saved". You don't give ascent to a theological system or construct to "get saved". Being saved is receiving a Person and staying saved is growing in faith and walking with that Person (abiding in Christ, implies obedience). Enduring to the end is remaining in the "faith", staying faithful and not becoming faithless and falling away into unbelief where you terminate your relationship with Christ. Being lost is rejecting a Person (Christ).

Sleeping Virgins need to wake up.

Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools (unwise virgins) , but as wise (virgins),

Jesus Christ is returning at a time of great spiritual darkness (midnight), while everyone is drowsy and sleeping:

Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Those who have ears to hear will come out to meet the Bridegroom while the others will remain asleep. The wise virgins have ears to hear because their trust is in the Lord and not carnal doctrines of men which teach a false security and lull people into spiritual slumber/sleep. Those with a false security will remain asleep and will not listen to the trumpet warning. Since the foolish virgins are not led by the Spirit of God, they have no oil (Spirit).

Satan is bringing increasing trials and tribulations against the church, today. Everyone whose foundation is not the Word of God will react to these fiery trials and pressures after the flesh and commit lawlessness (sin). This is the reason that the powers of darkness will be able to gain more and more ground to destroy all those whose foundation is a "form of godliness". These are the foolish virgins of the false church, Babylon.

 

[outsidethecamp]

Whoa! Hold on there!! It seems there is a very big disconnect in the meaning of relationship. Parent-child relationship CANNOT be severed, terminated, lost, undone. Period.

Fellowship CAN be. The difference is huge and it seems most or all in the insecurity camp don't know the difference.

Can any in the insecurity camp undo their birth parents? No. The DNA is fixed, permanent. That is the same principle in the spiritual sense.

As God is our spiritual Father, and we are His spiritual children, that RELATIONSHIP cannot be altered or changed or undone.

The issue is fellowship, as John noted clearly in 1 John 1.


In fact, the prodigal did terminate his fellowship with his father when he left. By the very fact of requesting his share of his inheritance, he was actually saying, in effect, "I wish you were dead already, but since you aren't and I want to leave and go have some fun, just give me my inheritance now." That is exactly how the Jewish society of Jesus' time would have understood what the prodigal was asking. He was most definitely breaking fellowship with his father.

But notice that throughout the parable, the son continued to be the son, and the father continued to be the father.

It sounds good, but your reasoning does not cohere with the preponderance of God's Word. There is no security for the unbeliever.

 

[outsidethecamp]

Rejecting Him as a saved, born again, regenerated, justified person does NOT result in loss of salvation.

There are no verses that teach such a thing.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

 

[gigman7]

"Saving Faith", is not a singular moment of faith. You don't "raise your hand", "walk the aisle", "say a prayer", and "get your ticket punched" and everything is good after that.

Yes it is! I mean, you don't have to say a specific prayer or you don't have to walk the aisle. But it IS a singular moment of time when you accept God's calling to be saved.

 

[outsidethecamp]

Yes it is! I mean, you don't have to say a specific prayer or you don't have to walk the aisle. But it IS a singular moment of time when you accept God's calling to be saved.

Yes, I agree. I guess I wasn't clear. Saving faith is a singular event as well as an ongoing event in our lives. We grow in faith and must live by faith. (ongoing).

Rom_1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

 

[Tellastory]

You don't see Marvin's name there either. The prodigal son parable is about God, not Marvin. And the example I gave was in reference to his statement about once knew someone and now no longer knows him.

Keep in mind in the parable, the son repented and turned. Anyone under OSAS doesn't repent with a false belief they're always saved forever.

I believe the point of the prodigal son was that no matter where he was, he was still son. This also testifies that he would be returning no matter what because he is a son.

Now when the father coaxed the elder loyal son to come in to celebrate, the father told him something which was not the same for the prodigal son upon his returning and that was all that the father has was his ( the elder loyal son ). Remember that the prodigal son had given up his inheritance for wild living and so the prodigal son can never have that back.

There are two inheritance to be had in the kingdom of heaven; to be a vessel unto honour as a disciple abiding in Him & His words by faith in the Son of God & all His promises to us in being our Good Shepherd OR to be a vessel unto dishonour, sowing to the works of the flesh or religious dead works that deny Him and thereby not looking to Him for help to discern, stop, and repent from iniquity.

2 Timothy 2:19-21 testifies both of those vessels are in His House.

1 Corinthians 3:10-17 shows a comeuppance for any one not departing from inqiuity, but the foundation remains as only the works on that foundation are burned up. Those that defile the temple of God, their physical bodies will be destroyed as the wages of sin is death, but the spirit will be saved so as through fire.

This is why God is judging His House first at the pre trib rapture event so that those professing Him will be holding the feast of the Marriage Supper in sincerity & in truth as the purpose of excommunication can be seen even here.

1 Corinthians 5: 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Would not the left behind unrepentant saints be subjected to the devil in making war on the saints?

1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? 7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Better believe that is how the Marriage Supper will be held.

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

That is why the pre trib rapture will come as that is when God will judge His House first as we can trust the faithful Creator in well doing of the keeping of their souls while they suffer ( 1 Peter 4:17-19 ) the coming fire on the earth & the subsequence great tribulation as it is that day Paul was talking about in 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 & Jesus also in Luke 12:40-49.

 

[Tellastory]

Luke 13:23-27
23 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”

And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ 26 then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ 27 But He will say,‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’

OSAS refuted in Luke 13:23-27

No. It is not.

Any work of iniquity denies Him.

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Therefore, it is on that basis that Jesus is denying them; rejecting them; disqualifying them, & leaving them behind BUT even those believers that no longer believes in Him, He still abides in them as testified below.

2 Timothy 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. 14 Of these things put them in remembrance,....

So what is going on here? Read on as Paul gives an example of how a believer can err from the truth and have his faith overthrown where he does not believe any more and yet Jesus Christ still abides in him.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

So 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 testifies that a believer will be judged by what he builds on that foundation, but the foundation remains; his spirit will be saved so as thru fire, but he shall suffer a physical death for defiling the temple of God. That is what makes the vseels unto dishonour in His House as being left behind from attending the Marriage Supper.

So OSAS is true, but not every believer will be ready for the Bridegroom when He comes.

Esau weeping for losing his birthright for a meal is akin to those left behind in their weeping & gnashing of teeth which is why we read about God wiping the tears from the eyes of those saints coming out of the great tribulation because they need a miracle from Him to get past that loss.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

So which last day will a saint rise on? It depends on him looking to Jesus as their Good Shepherd for help to abide in Him as His disciples in discerning by the KJV Bible & departing from inqiuity by His grace & by His help in getting ready to go.

Any saint, regardless of the day he is risen on; whethor it be the pre trib rapture or at the end of the great tribulation or at the end of the milleniel reign of Christ, it will be to him, his last day wherein God is keeping His word.

 

[MikeEnders]

You might want to reread your post, you said, "If you can't continue in sin how would you ever lose salvation?" Your implication is that a Christian cannot sin. This idea flies in the face of many passages of Scripture.

ROFL......this has to be one of the world's worst collection of armchair theologians and Bible "students" ever assembled. I show him a passage that says a born again person cannot continue living a life of sin and he claims I am violating scripture by quoting from it.

Well its the internets folks so it takes all kinds. Totally bored now with this level of pontification over scripture. Its like open mike Sunday morning where people walk off the street and preach whatever they want not what god's word says.

I have nothing to lose either position but i say this to both sides. You all suck at rightly dividing the word of God. You don't look to it for what it says you try to back ideas that originate out of your own head.

Frankly at this point I think I see more with those who don't hold to security (even though I do). At least they don't try this putrid heresy from the pit of hell that salvation isn't salvation from living bound in sin but just a get out of hell meal ticket. Jesus came to save us from sin. Thats the Gospel. - not some perversion of the word grace

"only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.8But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!9As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!"
Galations 1:8

 

[Dialogist]

I've grown up in a Christian home that believes Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS), and I, myself, have doubts about it but am for it. With the debates that circle it on many occasions, what is your viewpoint and reasoning behind it; whether it is supposedly fact or suplosedly fiction?


EDIT*: I don't think this thread applies to this forum.

How do you define salvation?

 

[MikeEnders]

This scripture right here settles the debate of OSAS. Christ said many will try to enter the narrow gate, and will not make it. These are Christians, many will not make it in.

OSAS is completely false!

We can close this thread now since the issue has been settled. Even though he butchers the scriptures if you write anything in bold large letter it becomes God's word.

 

[Tellastory]

You're not upholding any scriptures, you're making fabrications adding into what the bible clearly states. Read what it said. What Israelite do you know are currently trying to enter the narrow gate?

ONLY CHRISTIANS seek to enter the narrow gate. The narrow gate is in the new testament.

Luke 13:23-27
23 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”

And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ 26 then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ 27 But He will say,‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’

Again, as Christ said above, many Christians will not make it. OSAS is obvious a fallacy based on this scripture.

Just so you know, brother, Luke 13:23 is not talking about being saved from hell, but being saved from what is coming on the earth. Read on as Jesus is talking about a sitting down with O.T. saints at the Marriage Supper.

Luke 13: 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

So Jesus began speaking about how punishment will be dished out on the unrepentant saints on earth.

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

Jesus did not say that the lord of that servant ceased to be lord of that servant as you will note how even after being cut asunder & left behind to face the fire coming on the earth, that servant of His was getting stripes.

The prophesy about the New Covenant in Psalm 89 should shed some light on His promise on those left behind.

Psalm 89:28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him. 29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven. 30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments; 31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; 32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. 33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. 34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. 35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. 36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me. 37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.

This is the testimony of the power of God in salvation for all those that believe in Him, even in His name, for those unrepentant saints that get left behind at the pre trib rapture event in becoming vessels unto dishonour in His House.

This is why it is important to live by faith in Him as our Good Shepherd for the help we need to be found abiding in Him & His words as His disciples to be received by the Bridegroom as vessels unto honour in His House for the Marriage Supper which is to be held in His honour as this is to His glory in bringing us Home as our Good Shepherd as well as our Saviour.

We do run that race by the grace of God as well as we rest in Him & all His promises to us in being our Good Shepherd to help us abide in Him & His words as kept in the KJV only in living as His disciples.

 

[HannahElizaW]

How do you define salvation?

A basically divine trade-in. In short, basically giving your life away and receiving an eternal life. In long, coming to terms and believing that you are a sinner and understanding by the consequences of your sinfulness, God is true and correct in sentencing you to hellfire, but at salvation, Jesus is the one who interposes as a stand-in for your sentence and by accepting it, instead of carrying out your sentence to hell, you are receiving the gift of Life through total and complete grace and mercy...

 

[FreeGrace2]

It sounds good, but your reasoning does not cohere with the preponderance of God's Word. There is no security for the unbeliever.

And I never said there was. But please notice the big difference between one who NEVER believed (unbeliever) vs a believer who "believes for a while" per Luke 8:13.

Given ALL the changes that God performs for the one who has believed, and the fact that Scripture does NOT ever suggest or indicate that God undoes any of those changes.

If someone can show from Scripture that God has or will undo all the changes that occur when one believes, I will be convinced. Otherwise, I won't be.