When did evolution begin?

[Aman777]

Atheists have no idea when anything happened. When I started studying evolution, i was told the earth was 200 million years old. Next it was 800 million years old. next it was 1 billion. This was followed by speculation that it was 2.8 billion. A few months later it had increased to 3.5 billion and the last I heard from the late Christopher Hitchens is was 13.5 billion.

In my original studies mankind was the product of apes. Last years an atheist on TV proudly announced that he had discovered we all came from a sand worm no bigger than a man's thumb. A few weeks ago Richard Dawkins said on TV that our great ancestor was a fish and more than once I have been told that no atheist speaks for another which sounds like they make it up as they go along.

You got it. Just ask ANY evolutionist to explain HOW and WHEN we magically changed from prehistoric to Human and they will call you names and imply that you are uneducated and stupid just before they run away because they CANNOT tell us the process. The only people they can get to believe their foolishness are little children in the public schools. Their unsupportable Lies are easier to force upon children than to convince adults. God Bless you

 

[ob77]

God created and brought forth from the water "every living creature that moveth" from the water on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21 Science agrees and shows that life First appeared in the water on our Earth some 3.77 Billion years ago.

Adam, the first Human, was "formed" of the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day, long before ANY other living creature. Gen 2:4-7 God's Truth in Genesis shows that Humans are a special Creation destined to have dominion or rule over ALL other living creatures which were made AFTER Humans were made. Gen 1:28

Now, it's your time to tell us HOW Humans could have possibly evolved from creatures who were NOT made until Billions of years after Adam was made. Somebody's interpretation is wrong and it's NOT God. It's the False ToE which is UnTrue Scripturally, Scientifically and Historically. Amen?

Read Ezekiel chapter 31. You will find that the Assyrians were well established and their empire was great and widespread in the day God was preparing the garden for Adam. Man was created on the sixth day and then God rested from ALL he had created and made on the seventh. After that, God said there was not a man (adam) to till the ground and formed him from the dust (took one of His own begotten from the celestial plane and placed him in a flesh body in the terrestrial plane).
Assyrian written history goes back some 70,000 years and is housed in the Assyriology room in the British Museum.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Pardon? I have no idea what you're saying here.

Are you suggesting that there were "kinds" of vegetation before God made the "kinds" of vegetation? Because the text doesn't say that. Man was created in situ by divine fiat in the Genesis text in the same way that every other thing was made. There is no indication that there were beasts or creepy-crawly things before God declared there to be beasts and creepy-crawly things on the sixth day. So man is not fundamentally different in the text insofar as man is the result of God's declaration and word.

Nothing came before man in the narrative? You mean everything came before man in the narrative right? Man was the last thing God created in Genesis 1.

You'll need to explain what it is you mean here. And why on earth it has anything to do with the question of whether human beings are animals or not.

-CryptoLutheran

In the Hebrew text after each creature is created it says, "after its kind" except when it gets to man. It doesn't say man was created "after its kind" but it says in the image of God. Look up the Hebrew text at this link and take note of the words "after its kind": http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0101.htm

 

[Aman777]

It's the way of creationism.

False, since I have posted this empirical historic evidence which shows that the first Traits of Humans are shown EXACTLY where God tells us the Ark arrived. HISTORY agrees and NONE of the evolutionists here has even tried to explain. Can you? Go ahead or everyone will see that it is Evolutionism which has NO support for it's false teaching.

http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

Waiting..........

 

[Oncedeceived]

Not only atheists but Christians accept as well, only creationists need to deny evolution, they know it's true but they must deny it for the sake of their preferred belief.

Evolution is accepted by many many creationists. What creationists don't accept is an evolution alone premise. We don't believe that evolution alone explains life or the diversity of life, that God did not create the universe and everything in it.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I have never believed that evolution is true. In fact the more I read the more evolution unravels as a figment of man's imagination to get God out of the picture.

I would assume you mean the evolution that materialists use to point out that God is not needed? Evolution as defined by a change in the genetic that is passed from one generation to the next is true, adaptation is true...correct?

 

[Aman777]

Why on earth would you be told such things when the age of the earth has nothing whatsoever to do with evolution?
that's like when teaching someone to make a cake you tell them how a diesel engine works.
I hope you take this as a compliment, you are a typical creationist in that you don't know what evolution is.

I had rather be a Bible believing Creationist than someone who can get no one but little children to go along with their evolution lies. I do know what evolution is and that is why those who believe such foolishness avoid me. Evolution is the measured changes within the allele frequency in a population (kinds) over time. God told us all about in Genesis chapter One. The only thing evolutionists have done is to change the wording in a vain effort to refute God's Holy Word. Such evil will not go unrewarded. Mar 9:42

 

[Oncedeceived]

The evidence for evolution is so overwhelming that to deny it is really regarded as perverse. The only group of people who do seem to be religious fundamentalists (mostly in the US) who would rather believe a bronze age creation mythology than the hard, testable, repeatable, physically observable evidence of today.

You are wrong. Evolution which is any genetic change in a population that is inherited over several generations is evident. The claims that some make about evolution sometimes is not based on this overwhelming evidence. Creationists understand the evidence for evolutionary processes and agree that the evidence is there. It is the claim that this process is a process that is mindless and un-directed and unguided, has no goals or purpose that most take issue with.

 

[Oncedeceived]

And your evidence is...?

Evolution as defined but with direction, design, and purpose. The design is apparent in all of nature and we recognize it in the design humans produce and the purpose is shown in the universe's laws and the structure and laws evolution works from.

 

[ob77]

You got it. Just ask ANY evolutionist to explain HOW and WHEN we magically changed from prehistoric to Human and they will call you names and imply that you are uneducated and stupid just before they run away because they CANNOT tell us the process. The only people they can get to believe their foolishness are little children in the public schools. Their unsupportable Lies are easier to force upon children than to convince adults. God Bless you

I believe the universe is as old as 13 or so billion years old and that the earth is 4.5 billion years old. God said "In the beginning", but does not say when that was. Void and without form in Hebrew, is Tohu vah bohu, which means "became that way, not created as such. There are three earth ages. The world that was, in a previous age, is where all the life during that period belongs, and is preserved in fossil form as proof of that earlier earth age.

 

[Aman777]

When it comes to the theory of evolution of course we have massive evidence for it. The problem is that most creationists have no understanding of the concept of evidence and do not care to learn. There are literally mountains of scientific evidence for the theory of evolution and no scientific evidence for creationism.

False. I have asked in vain for ANY evidence of How and When evolution produced Humanity in prehistoric people. You, nor any other evolutionist has supplied ANY. When I show you empirical historic evidence which REFUTES the False ToE, there is silence with occasional name calling BUT with NO actual evidence to support the biggest Satanic lie ever told in the history of humankind. Where is the evidence? Amen?

 

[Oncedeceived]

The Theory of Evolution is concerned only with life, without life there is no evolution.

Without laws and order there would be no evolution. How did evolution begin from disorder and chaos? Evolution didn't evolve.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Easy. Many creationists are what we call "not too bright". They don't listen well or remember clearly. Creationists are notorious for misunderstanding simple concepts. That is why we demand that claims need to be backed up by links when demanded. And to be fair that rule applies to me to when I make a scientific statement.

This sounds very much like bigotry. You with all your psuedo-intellectual snobbery, you misunderstand even the concepts that you hold to be true can't get off the ground without the laws and order that you have no understanding of. You hold true that which can not be scientifically shown. You can't even back up your own claims and then demand it of others.

 

[Jimmy D]

To 'As I was saying'

It’s obvious that you have very little to no education in what you are attempting to debate. I appreciate that you might have no desire to learn about biology etc but arguing with people to do know about the subject seems futile, I don’t know what you hope to achieve. You do realize that there is a consensus amongst virtually every academic (christians included) involved in the field of biology that evolution is a fact.

The International Council for Science (ICSU) issued the following statement:

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

1. In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.

2. Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.

3. Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.

4. Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[Aman777]

Read Ezekiel chapter 31. You will find that the Assyrians were well established and their empire was great and widespread in the day God was preparing the garden for Adam. Man was created on the sixth day and then God rested from ALL he had created and made on the seventh. After that, God said there was not a man (adam) to till the ground and formed him from the dust (took one of His own begotten from the celestial plane and placed him in a flesh body in the terrestrial plane).
Assyrian written history goes back some 70,000 years and is housed in the Assyriology room in the British Museum.

False, since the ONLY creature made on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants, herbs, and Trees, was Adam the first Human. Gen 2:4-7 The Spiritual creation of Adam and Eve happened on the present 6th Day Gen 5:1-2 which continues today. Failure to understand this shows that Satan told Eve the truth and the LORD lied to Adam, since the LORD told Adam that he would surely die in the Day he disobeyed. Gen 2:17 Amen?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Wrong. Abiogenesis has always been a separate but related science. You keep making statements that only illustrate your ignorance.

Evolution didn't evolve. The laws and structure that evolution needs is not produced by evolution. Abiogenesis may be a separate study but without life evolution is dead in the water. Evolution doesn't explain why the first evidence of life on earth is complex rather than simple and having no function. Even after life exists, evolution would presuppose order coming from disorder which is not in evidence, evolution would presuppose complex coming from simple which is not in evidence, evolution would presuppose function arising from no function which is not in evidence.

 

[justlookinla]

You do realize that there is a consensus amongst virtually every academic (christians included) involved in the field of biology that evolution is a fact.

You do realize that not virtually every academic (christians included) involved in the field of biology embraces Darwinist evolution?

 

[Aman777]

And you keep avoiding answering my question How did life begin?" which suggests to me you don't know the answer so all your posturing is hot air. Oh, by the way, I never mentioned abiogenesis.

Abiogenesis or Magical Chemical Generation is just another excuse for believing the lies of evolutionism. Evolutionists have many lies to teach our babies. Amen?

 

[RickG]

If organisms are absent from succeeding layers they must have perished.

Yes, and then how did organisms that were not previously there appear later on? How do they get there without evolution.

 

[RickG]

Abiogenesis or Magical Chemical Generation is just another excuse for believing the lies of evolutionism

Ummm, and how did the bible do it?

Evolutionists have many lies to teach our babies. Amen?

Actually the only "true" lies are coming from the continuous misrepresentation of mainstream science by creation science. Scientists are not teach lies, creation scientists are the ones propagating lies.