When did evolution begin?

[Jan Volkes]

How did evolution begin when God created life. Give us some examples.

Why don't you give us some of examples of a God creating life?

 

[Jan Volkes]

I have never believed that evolution is true. In fact the more I read the more evolution unravels as a figment of man's imagination to get God out of the picture.

Then thankfully you are in the minority because the majority of Christians accept evolution.

 

[As I was saying]

Look in a mirror.

The question we are trying to address is where the dividing line is between evolution and abiogenesis. All we are considering are the principles involved.

As for when evolution starts, it starts when you have imperfect replicators competing for limited resources. If those first imperfect replicators came about through supernatural magic, the principle still applies.

But when God created the heavens and the earth and all that was in them nothing was imperfect. The Bible is clear on that as it says....
Gen 1:4 God looked at the light and saw that it was good.
Gen 1:10 God named the dry ground "Land," and he named the water "Ocean." God looked at what he had done and saw that it was good.
Gen 1:12 The earth produced all kinds of vegetation. God looked at what he had done, and it was good.
Gen 1:18 to rule day and night, and to separate light from darkness. God looked at what he had done, and it was good.
Gen 1:21 So God made the giant sea monsters and all the living creatures that swim in the ocean. He also made every kind of bird. God looked at what he had done, and it was good.
Gen 1:25 God made every one of them. Then he looked at what he had done, and it was good.
Gen 1:31 God looked at what he had done. All of it was very good! Evening came and then morning--that was the sixth day.

There is nothing there to indicate God created imperfect replicators.

 

[As I was saying]

Then thankfully you are in the minority because the majority of Christians accept evolution.

And your evidence is..? How many of the 2.1 billion christians on earth believe in evolution?

 

[asherahSamaria]

The evidence for evolution is so overwhelming that to deny it is really regarded as perverse. The only group of people who do seem to be religious fundamentalists (mostly in the US) who would rather believe a bronze age creation mythology than the hard, testable, repeatable, physically observable evidence of today.

 

[As I was saying]

I'm talking about the precursor to life. Cellular life, any way. The point at which chemistry becomes "life" is debatable.

That is simple. Everything became life when God created it after its own kind.

 

[Armoured]

and your evidence is...?

What part of "see also, Spielgelman's monster" would you like me to clarify?

 

[Armoured]

That is simple. Everything became life when God created it after its own kind.

And your evidence is...?

 

[asherahSamaria]

That is simple. Everything became life when God created it after its own kind.

It must be wonderful to live in a world where you can just make a bald statement taken from ancient mythology and that must be so - with not a single shred of positive evidence to back it up.

 

[As I was saying]

God created and brought forth from the water "every living creature that moveth" from the water on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21 Science agrees and shows that life First appeared in the water on our Earth some 3.77 Billion years ago.

Adam, the first Human, was "formed" of the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day, long before ANY other living creature. Gen 2:4-7 God's Truth in Genesis shows that Humans are a special Creation destined to have dominion or rule over ALL other living creatures which were made AFTER Humans were made. Gen 1:28

Now, it's your time to tell us HOW Humans could have possibly evolved from creatures who were NOT made until Billions of years after Adam was made. Somebody's interpretation is wrong and it's NOT God. It's the False ToE which is UnTrue Scripturally, Scientifically and Historically. Amen?

Atheists have no idea when anything happened. When I started studying evolution, i was told the earth was 200 million years old. Next it was 800 million years old. next it was 1 billion. This was followed by speculation that it was 2.8 billion. A few months later it had increased to 3.5 billion and the last I heard from the late Christopher Hitchens is was 13.5 billion.

In my original studies mankind was the product of apes. Last years an atheist on TV proudly announced that he had discovered we all came from a sand worm no bigger than a man's thumb. A few weeks ago Richard Dawkins said on TV that our great ancestor was a fish and more than once I have been told that no atheist speaks for another which sounds like they make it up as they go along.

 

[As I was saying]

That could be said about almost all modern species. Chihuahuas came after man appeared in the world, so does that mean the Bible is wrong?

And your evidence for this is....

 

[Jan Volkes]

It must be wonderful to live in a world where you can just make a bald statement taken from ancient mythology and that must be so - with not a single shred of positive evidence to back it up.

It's the way of creationism.

 

[Armoured]

Atheists have no idea when anything happened. When I started studying evolution, i was told the earth was 200 million years old. Next it was 800 million years old. next it was 1 billion. This was followed by speculation that it was 2.8 billion. A few months later it had increased to 3.5 billion and the last I heard from the late Christopher Hitchens is was 13.5 billion.

In my original studies mankind was the product of apes. Last years an atheist on TV proudly announced that he had discovered we all came from a sand worm no bigger than a man's thumb. A few weeks ago Richard Dawkins said on TV that our great ancestor was a fish and more than once I have been told that no atheist speaks for another which sounds like they make it up as they go along.

...just... ugh... I know I shouldn't, but I really want to...

 

[Jan Volkes]

Atheists have no idea when anything happened. When I started studying evolution, i was told the earth was 200 million years old. Next it was 800 million years old. next it was 1 billion. This was followed by speculation that it was 2.8 billion. A few months later it had increased to 3.5 billion and the last I heard from the late Christopher Hitchens is was 13.5 billion.

Why on earth would you be told such things when the age of the earth has nothing whatsoever to do with evolution?
that's like when teaching someone to make a cake you tell them how a diesel engine works.
I hope you take this as a compliment, you are a typical creationist in that you don't know what evolution is.

 

[As I was saying]

It must be wonderful to live in a world where you can just make a bald statement taken from ancient mythology and that must be so - with not a single shred of positive evidence to back it up.

Sorry but a typical evolutionary retort that doesn't hold water. I note that evolutionists are very happy to quote from ancient and modern mythology as though it was gospel truth but they do not have a single shred of positive evidence so I would rather stick with my understanding of the subject as the evidence is staring you in the face.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Atheists have no idea when anything happened. When I started studying evolution, i was told the earth was 200 million years old. Next it was 800 million years old. next it was 1 billion. This was followed by speculation that it was 2.8 billion. A few months later it had increased to 3.5 billion and the last I heard from the late Christopher Hitchens is was 13.5 billion.

Wow! So you are saying that you are over 100 years old? You must be the oldest poster on this forum:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geohist.html

In my original studies mankind was the product of apes. Last years an atheist on TV proudly announced that he had discovered we all came from a sand worm no bigger than a man's thumb. A few weeks ago Richard Dawkins said on TV that our great ancestor was a fish and more than once I have been told that no atheist speaks for another which sounds like they make it up as they go along.

You either had incredibly bad teachers, or you were a rather poor student. In either case that is not the fault of scientists.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry but a typical evolutionary retort that doesn't hold water. I note that evolutionists are very happy to quote from ancient and modern mythology as though it was gospel truth but they do not have a single shred of positive evidence so I would rather stick with my understanding of the subject as the evidence is staring you in the face.

When it comes to the theory of evolution of course we have massive evidence for it. The problem is that most creationists have no understanding of the concept of evidence and do not care to learn. There are literally mountains of scientific evidence for the theory of evolution and no scientific evidence for creationism.

 

[As I was saying]

Why on earth would you be told such things when the age of the earth has nothing whatsoever to do with evolution?
that's like when teaching someone to make a cake you tell them how a diesel engine works.

If that is what you think you are up the veritable creek without a paddle. All these things were told me by atheists who were evolutionists so it is very obvious to them that the age of the earth is very, very relevant but I guess it comes under the heading of no atheist speaks for another.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If that is what you think you are up the veritable creek without a paddle. All these things were told me by atheists who were evolutionists so it is very obvious to them that the age of the earth is very, very relevant but I guess it comes under the heading of no atheist speaks for another.

Odds are that you misunderstood them badly. Perhaps purposefully, perhaps not.

 

[Jan Volkes]

If that is what you think you are up the veritable creek without a paddle. All these things were told me by atheists who were evolutionists so it is very obvious to them that the age of the earth is very, very relevant but I guess it comes under the heading of no atheist speaks for another.

Then it sound to me as if you have been lied to by everyone ever since you were very young, I'm sorry about that.