When did evolution begin?

[Subduction Zone]

and the last I heard from the late Christopher Hitchens is was 13.5 billion.

Oops, missed this.

Okay the fault is clearly yours and not that of others. What Christopher Hitchens would have been stating there is the age of the Universe. The Earth is 4.55 billion years old. Perhaps you should pay a bit more attention to the science that you want to refute. If you do not understand an idea it is very very hard to refute it.

 

[As I was saying]

When it comes to the theory of evolution of course we have massive evidence for it. The problem is that most creationists have no understanding of the concept of evidence and do not care to learn. There are literally mountains of scientific evidence for the theory of evolution and no scientific evidence for creationism.

So you say but the facts do not support such a contention. If it does you will be able to tell me how life originated through evolution.

 

[Jan Volkes]

If that is what you think you are up the veritable creek without a paddle. All these things were told me by atheists who were evolutionists so it is very obvious to them that the age of the earth is very, very relevant but I guess it comes under the heading of no atheist speaks for another.

The Theory of Evolution is concerned only with life, without life there is no evolution.

 

[Jan Volkes]

So you say but the facts do not support such a contention. If it does you will be able to tell me how life originated through evolution.

No No No....
The Theory of Evolution is concerned only with life, without life there is no evolution.

 

[As I was saying]

Oops, missed this.

Okay the fault is clearly yours and not that of others. What Christopher Hitchens would have been stating there is the age of the Universe. The Earth is 4.55 billion years old. Perhaps you should pay a bit more attention to the science that you want to refute. If you do not understand an idea it is very very hard to refute it.

Another classic example of one atheist does not speak for another and I am sorry to say there are plenty of atheist who would disagree with you on the age of the earth and whether we are talking about the age of the earth or the universe it seems no two atheists agree because if they did they would not have come up with all their different speculations about its age, earth or universe.

 

[As I was saying]

No No No....
The Theory of Evolution is concerned only with life, without life there is no evolution.

Bingo. Another atheist who claims everything and can produce nothing of worth. So, no, you cannot tell me the origin of life through evolution. Just as I thought as to date every time I have asked that question, I have not found one atheist who can answer it.

 

[As I was saying]

The Theory of Evolution is concerned only with life, without life there is no evolution.

Typical of an atheist who is speaking beyond his pay grade. If you can't answer the question, obfuscate.

 

[Jan Volkes]

Bingo. Another atheist who claims everything and can produce nothing of worth. So, no, you cannot tell me the origin of life through evolution. Just as I thought as to date every time I have asked that question, I have not found one atheist who can answer it.

Tell me all about Allah through reading the Bible, just as I thought you can't, it's about time you Christians got your act together.

 

[Jan Volkes]

Typical of an atheist who is speaking beyond his pay grade. If you can't answer the question, obfuscate.

Now I know you're a Poe.

 

[As I was saying]

Then it sound to me as if you have been lied to by everyone ever since you were very young, I'm sorry about that.

Yes, most of the time atheist are lying because they have no evidence to support their claims. I have a book that blows the claims of atheists to smithereens using scientific evidence and although some atheists know that it is all lies they still go on spouting such nonsense.

 

[As I was saying]

Tell me all about Allah through reading the Bible, just as I thought you can't, it's about time you Christians got your act together.

Horrible isn't it when you are asked a question that you can't answer so you have to produce all sorts of red herrings to avoid the fact.

 

[As I was saying]

Odds are that you misunderstood them badly. Perhaps purposefully, perhaps not.

The earth is 800 million years old. What is there to misunderstand about that? A bit like me saying I have two children a boy and a girl. What is there to misunderstand about that? Perhaps what I was really saying was that I have two monkeys.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I have never believed that evolution is true. In fact the more I read the more evolution unravels as a figment of man's imagination to get God out of the picture.

I'm a Christian and I believe evolution is true. I'm not alone, I'm not rare. I'm normal.

I recommend avoiding children books where it shows dinosaurs and people hanging out and instead investigate the evidence. What evidence you ask? Why not start here?

http://biologos.org/questions/fossil-record
http://biologos.org/questions/genetic-evidence
http://biologos.org/questions/what-evidence-do-we-have-for-evolution-besides-fossils-and-genes

And if you think an emphatically Christian website like Biologos is trying to "get God out of the picture" then I don't know what to tell you because I don't think any amount of reason or sense will be able to convince you otherwise.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Jan Volkes]

Horrible isn't it when you are asked a question that you can't answer so you have to produce all sorts of red herrings to avoid the fact.

You were obviously home schooled by creationists who deliberately kept you ignorant of evolution, if you weren't then your education was sadly lacking the very basics, you were either taught badly or you didn't listen.
Either way it's not our job to teach you what you should already know.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So you say but the facts do not support such a contention. If it does you will be able to tell me how life originated through evolution.

Wrong. Abiogenesis has always been a separate but related science. You keep making statements that only illustrate your ignorance.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Another classic example of one atheist does not speak for another and I am sorry to say there are plenty of atheist who would disagree with you on the age of the earth and whether we are talking about the age of the earth or the universe it seems no two atheists agree because if they did they would not have come up with all their different speculations about its age, earth or universe.

Wrong. I can show you links that explain the age of the Earth to you. Hitchens was not an idiot. He would not have made the statement that you claimed that he did. But since this is your claim you must have evidence to back it up. Only a complete fool would make such a claim without evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The earth is 800 million years old. What is there to misunderstand about that? A bit like me saying I have two children a boy and a girl. What is there to misunderstand about that? Perhaps what I was really saying was that I have two monkeys.

Easy. Many creationists are what we call "not too bright". They don't listen well or remember clearly. Creationists are notorious for misunderstanding simple concepts. That is why we demand that claims need to be backed up by links when demanded. And to be fair that rule applies to me to when I make a scientific statement.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, most of the time atheist are lying because they have no evidence to support their claims. I have a book that blows the claims of atheists to smithereens using scientific evidence and although some atheists know that it is all lies they still go on spouting such nonsense.

I would like to see that book. And for some reason I don't believe you. Perhaps because very very very few creationists understand the concept of scientific evidence.

 

[bburakk]

O men! Here is a parable set forth! Listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! And if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to release it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition and those whom they petition!.(quran.22/73)

He is Allah, the Creator, the Originator, the Fashioner. To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.(quran.59/24)

 

[Jan Volkes]

O men! Here is a parable set forth! Listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! And if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to release it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition and those whom they petition!.(quran.22/73)

He is Allah, the Creator, the Originator, the Fashioner. To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.(quran.59/24)

What more is there to say?