Atheistic Darwinist Creationism and It's Just a Sack of Chemicals

[justlookinla]

Evolutionary biology is not an origins of life account- it merely explains what happens to existing life.

I'm not speaking of abiogenesis, Darwinism attempts to explain how all life was created from a life from from long ago.

What happens to a group of animals if they stop reproducing and all die? The group of animals ceases to exist. If all life ceases to reproduce and dies out, what happens? It ceases to exist.

Ok.

 

[Chany]

Yes.

That was a rhetorical question. The answer is no. If God created space and time, then he must be above space and time entirely. It's like saying a fictional character in a video game made the real video game.

Unless you are okay with saying God is finite. But I doubt that.

 

[HitchSlap]

Unless he was wrong with his guesses and suppositions.

Are we talking about the same Darwin?

 

[HitchSlap]

I'm not speaking of abiogenesis, Darwinism attempts to explain how all life was created from a life from from long ago.



Ok.

Long, long, long, long, long, long, time ago, from a Beagle far far away.

 

[HitchSlap]

Mission accomplished then.

You can't care.

If you do, the abortion rate would drop.

Satan doesn't want these things being referred to as "child in the womb" or "babe in the womb."

"Fetal tissue" removes the stigma and eases the conscience.

But Satan requires babies?

 

[justlookinla]

That was a rhetorical question. The answer is no. If God created space and time, then he must be above space and time entirely. It's like saying a fictional character in a video game made the real video game.

Unless you are okay with saying God is finite. But I doubt that.

He operates within, and without, space and time.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Of course Darwinism devalues human life. Human life is just another life form with no inherent value, created by a series of random, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and directionless natural mechanisms acting on an alleged single life form of long long ago in the Darwinist worldview.

No it doesn't. Simply because it removes the Idea that we are not made from a celestial being doesn't diminish anything other than the arrogant attitude that we are special because God made us.

I've simply stated the basis for the Darwinist worldview.

According to you which is about as irrelevant to reality as a demonizing activist can be.

I know what Darwinism teaches, that's not a strawman.

Please post a link by a credible source that validates your opinion. If not it is just your opinionated understanding of something you disagree with.

Why wouldn't it be acceptable to kill one's baby and sell it's parts? It's nothing but an evolved sack of chemicals.

Maybe because people don't care about each other any more because they care only about their pleasure. How is hedonism attached to Darwinism?

Most people don't understand anything about the theory of evolution, they just reject people who stick fingers and signs in their faces and call them sinners for doing what they want to do, in the first place.This didn't start with Darwin, it started with the counterculture who rejected your values way back in the 60's

If murdering one's unborn child and decapitating and it's parts isn't demonic, I don't know what is

Nice sidestep there, but you seemed to have missed the jest of the sentence which I repeat in my bold

This is a red herring to demonize PP because of what you think they are capable of and how they got there included rejecting your God.

You simply assume that Darwinism lead us here and reject any other explanation out of hand because it justifies your world view of the world.

The worldview of Darwinism is certainly obvious.

To a person with blinders on tied to a religion and unwilling to look at anything other than what he thinks is harmful to that religion everything in obvious. Religious prejudice makes it so.

 

[justlookinla]

Long, long, long, long, long, long, time ago, from a Beagle far far away.

So.........a Beagle is your guess for the life form from which pine trees evolved Darwinistically?

 

[Chany]

He operates within, and without, space and time.

I never said that wasn't possible. I am saying that God cannot, by necessity, have a physical body and still be infinite. God would have to be, fundamentally, spiritual, not physical.

 

[AV1611VET]

But Satan requires babies?

That's what he's got breeders for.

 

[justlookinla]

No it doesn't. Simply because it removes the Idea that we are not made from a celestial being doesn't deminish anything other than the arrogant attitude that we are special because God made us.

What is the value of humanity in a Darwinist system?

 

[AV1611VET]

What is the value of humanity in a Darwinist system?

$4.50 apiece.

 

[bhsmte]

$4.50 apiece.

But, making your own purpose in life = priceless.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

What is the value of humanity in a Darwinist system?

Being alive and living. Most atheists that I've talked to think the only reason God was invented is to give people the idea that they were special because they were created by something that looks over mankind and gives it it's wisdom. That's like saying I'm special because I came from my mom and she is special to me.

We are special because what we do for ourselves and others and that can't be without life. Darwinism simply removes creationism over and suggests another alternative to it.

 

[justlookinla]

Being alive and living. Most atheists that I've talked to think the only reason God was invented is to give people the idea that they were special because they were created by something that looks over mankind and gives it it's wisdom. That's like saying I'm special because I came from my mom and she is special to me.

There is no special in the Darwinist system. We're just a collection of chemicals randomly connected for survival purposes in that worldview.

We are special because what we do for ourselves and others and that can't be without life. Darwinism simply removes creationism over and suggests another alternative to it.

The alternative is that you're nothing more than a sack of chemicals.

 

[HitchSlap]

That's what he's got breeders for.

Is that the "quiver-full" movement?

 

[HitchSlap]

But, making your own purpose in life = priceless.

Amen!

 

[gladiatrix]

Having heard this argument and considered all of the different opinions...
I think abortion is wrong. What a pregnant woman is carrying is a human baby, no matter how people try to tapdance around that fact, and killing him or her is murder, pure and simple.

However, it is legal, and it seems that it is going to stay that way. I don't like it, but that's beside the point.

So...now we have a number of tiny corpses. Little hearts, tiny livers, itty bitty pieces that are valuable for other things than making make up or...ugh...I'd rather not think about it.

I dunno. The idea that these precious little bodies are being sold just kind of feels wrong...shades of Burke and Hare, dancing just beyond my field of vision...
I'd feel a lot better if these poor, dead little ones were being donated...but not sold.

As it turns out this story about PP selling body parts is nothing but an anti-choicer canard and here's the proof, courtesy of Tim H on CARM:

The public watchdog organization Media Matters has come out condemning the anti-abortion group Center for Medical Progress for their deceptive video about Planned Parenthood.

Full Video Released By Group Shows Crucial Portions Were Edited Out. The entire, unedited, nearly three-hour version of the video that CMP also released contains several sections that were edited out and contradict the group's assertions. For example, as the unedited transcript shows, Dr. Nucatola says, "Nobody should be 'selling' tissue," and repeatedly refers to "tissue donation" during the conversation. The edited video also jumps ahead nearly eight minutes in the middle of a discussion about money in an attempt to falsely frame Nucatola's comments as having to do with the sale price of tissue, but the unedited version reveals that she was actually discussing reimbursements costs for legal donation during those missing minutes.

Media Calls Out Deceptively Edited Video Claiming To Show Planned Parenthood "Selling Aborted Baby Parts"

The New York Times and the Guardian also condemn the fraudulent video.

None of this will matter to the right-wing conservatives who will continue to propagate the lies about PP long after the video story dies out.

This is also very telling about just how dishonest the CMP anti-abortion group is.

This is from the full transcript. The "actor" playing a doctor tries to lure Nucatola into a discussion of selling the fetal tissues for profit. In no uncertain terms she tells him that is not acceptable.

Buyer: Ok. I’m just trying to brainstorm. Because, I think offering some people,not only, just offsetting their cost in other areas, seeing the potential for that, besides the potential, for the patient, I’m still going down that road, even though I know, I understand what you’re saying. This cannot be seen as, “We’re doing this for profit.”

PP: No. Nothing, no affiliate should be doing anything that’s not like, reasonable and customary. This is not- nobody should be “selling” tissue. That’s just not the goal here.

See P.34 of full transcript.

Of course CMP cut out this portion which shows their claims to be 100% lies.
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I have to ask IF your cause if "just", then WHY do some anti-choicers have to tell lies like this one (some others are really outrageous ones about Margaret Sanger, but that's a whole other SET of posts) to sell it?​

 

[Alithis]

It takes open-mindedness and above all the courage to go beyond your own world view to fully grasp reality and that's what I don't see a lot of here. I didn't see it in the thread about this that was recently closed down because of the prejudicial closed minded assumptions that I would lay down &1000.00 on a bet will come here and have the same ending.

The idea that any world view is the reason why something occurs is ludicrous in that it excludes the human element in it. People in all walks of life make their own choices and many of them lead to dire consequences which didn't even enter their minds. Their are also people out there who are so addicted to instant gratification will pick the first way out of a dilemma that will cost them the lest amount of effort.

Of all this talk about selling body parts, did anyone get the link someone gave that said the monies acquired through tissues of fetuses were a reimbursement for PP and that the mothers had donated these various parts as many do when we mark donor down on our drivers licenses?

People make choices and some of those choices follow them around for the rest of their lives. Some don't even follow them to their next bathroom visit, but does the fact that some people will go to any lengths to demonize a service provider for providing a service they don't like place them on the rational, we can talk to them list in the eyes of the public or the Just another crackpot activist, ignore at all costs list?

people , at times , make choices they are empowered to make by the choices that others in the past made to redefine what is considered to be good ,then shaping laws around those chosen definitions .So the world view of evolution and the chosen premise of disbelieving in God Does effect why later choices are made and things happen .Issues such as abortion are considered socially unacceptable in all cultures and societies . proven by the fact that murdering ones own baby has never caused folks to run to your door with flowers and praise you for it.only point and Whisper .even today with it being fully legal for the 100million who commit it there are but few who publicly state they did so -which says more then enough in itself .
but world views redefined "laws" thus empowering people to do what was one socially unacceptable .
the world view upon which we establish a law allowing a certain thing has full consequence no mater which way you look at it .

 

[justlookinla]

As it turns out this story about PP selling body parts is nothing but an anti-choicer canard and here's the proof, courtesy of Tim H on CARM:

The public watchdog organization Media Matters has come out condemning the anti-abortion group Center for Medical Progress for their deceptive video about Planned Parenthood.



Media Calls Out Deceptively Edited Video Claiming To Show Planned Parenthood "Selling Aborted Baby Parts"

The New York Times and the Guardian also condemn the fraudulent video.

None of this will matter to the right-wing conservatives who will continue to propagate the lies about PP long after the video story dies out.

This is also very telling about just how dishonest the CMP anti-abortion group is.

This is from the full transcript. The "actor" playing a doctor tries to lure Nucatola into a discussion of selling the fetal tissues for profit. In no uncertain terms she tells him that is not acceptable.



See P.34 of full transcript.

Of course CMP cut out this portion which shows their claims to be 100% lies.
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I have to ask IF your cause if "just", then WHY does your lot have to tell lies like this one (some other are really outrageous ones about Margaret Sanger, but that's another SET of posts) to sell it?​

Well, that's strange. The head of Planned Parenthood apparently thinks there's something to the issue......

"Planned Parenthood’s president apologized Thursday for comments made by the group’s medical research director in a secretly recorded conversation about collecting fetal body parts, as outrage over the graphic video mounted on Capitol Hill where lawmakers are launching several investigations.

Cecile Richards, president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, defended the organization’s practices and maintained the group does not illegally sell fetal tissue. But, in a video statement, she acknowledged one of their staff members spoke in a way that does not “reflect” the “compassionate care that we provide.”

“This is unacceptable, and I personally apologize for the staff member's tone and statements,” Richards said. "

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ogizes-for-officials-fetal-organ-comments-as/

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