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Atheistic Darwinist Creationism and It's Just a Sack of Chemicals

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Since atheistic Darwinist creationism's worldview is one of a human being basically nothing more than an evolved sack of chemicals, why would selling baby parts be against the law (assuming it is)?

"It purportedly shows a Planned Parenthood executive sipping a glass of wine in a Los Angeles restaurant while casually explaining how they sell body parts from aborted babies."
One more indication of the evils of Darwinism and why the worldview should be challenged.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/14/shock-video-planned-parenthood-sells-dead-baby-body-parts/
 

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If humans are made of dust and will return to dust - why would selling baby parts be against the law (assuming it is)?
One more indication of the evils of Christianity and why the worldview should be challenged.

Humans are more than dust.....and a bag of chemicals.
 
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Since atheistic Darwinist creationism's worldview is one of a human being basically nothing more than an evolved sack of chemicals, why would selling baby parts be against the law (assuming it is)?

"It purportedly shows a Planned Parenthood executive sipping a glass of wine in a Los Angeles restaurant while casually explaining how they sell body parts from aborted babies."
One more indication of the evils of Darwinism and why the worldview should be challenged.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/14/shock-video-planned-parenthood-sells-dead-baby-body-parts/

First of all, the issue of abortion can be viewed entirely independently of the issue of fetal personhood or whether or not we want to consider that a "baby" (personally, I think drawing the line at "zygote" sort of distorts the meaning of the word). If a woman does not consent to having her body used as housing for a dependent, that is her choice, and her right to bodily autonomy trumps any right to necessary resources the fetus might have.

But beyond that, we're not talking about "whether they'll be aborted". Indeed, that's what makes this debate so weird to me. We're talking about body parts from a fetus that has already been aborted. It's not a matter of "Do we abort". It's a matter of "Hmm, do we put this dead tissue into a landfill or into the hands of medical professionals who can actually use it to further mankind?" and like with the issue of organ donorship, I take a pretty strong moral stance on that - they're dead, and their corpse has no further use to anyone else, so let the scientists who can help actual living people have it. Let me ask you this - if it was a natural miscarriage, would it still be wrong to use these fetus parts to help actual, living people?

As for the topic of morality if we're "just a sack of chemicals", I fail to see how it makes much of a distinction. I have a consciousness. Regardless of where that consciousness comes from (probably an emergent property of the complex neural network in my brain), it has certain non-arbitrary, hard-wired likes (food, sex, sleep) and dislikes (pain, hunger, illness), and furthermore, it is capable of empathy and reason. I am able to put myself into the shoes of other human beings (indeed, I do it all the time without even wanting to) and am essentially forced to care about them. The idea that atheism leaves one with no basis for morality is completely baseless. I don't want to be hurt. I know that egocentric morality is rationally bankrupt. Ergo, I should not hurt anyone else, because I don't want them to hurt me. It really is that simple.
 
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Since atheistic Darwinist creationism's worldview is one of a human being basically nothing more than an evolved sack of chemicals, why would selling baby parts be against the law (assuming it is)?


That's like saying "since gravity's worldview is one of matter attracting other matter, why would it be against the law to push someone of a building?"

One more indication of the evils of Darwinism and why the worldview should be challenged.

Rather, one more indication of how fundamentalists relentlessly try to badmouth and misrepresent science so that they can demonize and dehumanize it and then call all those who accept sound science to be "devil worshippers" and "sinners" and "the enemy" - either explicitly or implicitly, like you just did here.

Evolution is a theory of biology. It explains a biological phenomena in reality. That's all it does. It doesn't say anything about how we should or should not organize our society.
 
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It takes open-mindedness and above all the courage to go beyond your own world view to fully grasp reality and that's what I don't see a lot of here. I didn't see it in the thread about this that was recently closed down because of the prejudicial closed minded assumptions that I would lay down &1000.00 on a bet will come here and have the same ending.

The idea that any world view is the reason why something occurs is ludicrous in that it excludes the human element in it. People in all walks of life make their own choices and many of them lead to dire consequences which didn't even enter their minds. Their are also people out there who are so addicted to instant gratification will pick the first way out of a dilemma that will cost them the lest amount of effort.

Of all this talk about selling body parts, did anyone get the link someone gave that said the monies acquired through tissues of fetuses were a reimbursement for PP and that the mothers had donated these various parts as many do when we mark donor down on our drivers licenses?

People make choices and some of those choices follow them around for the rest of their lives. Some don't even follow them to their next bathroom visit, but does the fact that some people will go to any lengths to demonize a service provider for providing a service they don't like place them on the rational, we can talk to them list in the eyes of the public or the Just another crackpot activist, ignore at all costs list?
 
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Having heard this argument and considered all of the different opinions...
I think abortion is wrong. What a pregnant woman is carrying is a human baby, no matter how people try to tapdance around that fact, and killing him or her is murder, pure and simple.

However, it is legal, and it seems that it is going to stay that way. I don't like it, but that's beside the point.

So...now we have a number of tiny corpses. Little hearts, tiny livers, itty bitty pieces that are valuable for other things than making make up or...ugh...I'd rather not think about it.

I dunno. The idea that these precious little bodies are being sold just kind of feels wrong...shades of Burke and Hare, dancing just beyond my field of vision...
I'd feel a lot better if these poor, dead little ones were being donated...but not sold.
 
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I'd feel a lot better if these poor, dead little ones were being donated...but not sold.
They are. It's illegal to sell fetal tissue. The reimbursement PP gets is purely in terms of transportation costs.
 
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They are. It's illegal to sell fetal tissue. The reimbursement PP gets is purely in terms of transportation costs.
That's not the way it sounds, but assuming that is true, aren't they making enough from the couple of thousand murde...errrm...abortions they perform every day at four to five hundred dollars a pop? Let's face it, it's a multi-billion dollar enterprise...
When I said "donate" that is what I meant.

donate
[doh-neyt, doh-neyt]
verb (used with object), donated, donating.
1.
to present as a gift, grant, or contribution; make a donation of, as toa fund or cause:
to donate used clothes to the Salvation Army.
verb (used without object), donated, donating.
2.
to make a gift, grant, or contribution of something; give; contribute:
They donate to the Red Cross every year.

When I donate toys or clothes to Goodwill, I don't charge them for transportation costs...
 
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I love it. Abortion is murder but it's the service that's doing the murdering, but not the mother and then if the embryo grows up to be gay, then it doesn't deserve to have the same rights as the people who called for it to be born because it was a life which deserves the same rights as every other living thing.
 
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When I donate toys or clothes to Goodwill, I don't charge them for transportation costs...

Do you really think that biological substances need to be contained in the same environmental containers, stored and transported in the same configurations that clothes are.

Please do a little research on this, please. The regulations on simple medical waste is astronomically expensive. How much more expensive do you think providing a viable means of retaining human tissue is. Have you ever looked at what it takes to keep body parts that are donated by people killed in a car wreak?
 
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I love it. Abortion is murder but it's the service that's doing the murdering, but not the mother and then if the embryo grows up to be gay, then it doesn't deserve to have the same rights as the people who called for it to be born because it was a life which deserves the same rights as every other living thing.
Your remark is off topic, but I'll address it anyhow.
First of all, as I've mentioned in other threads, I've been a volunteer in an abortion alternative clinic...actually two of them, one in Arizona, and later one here in Alabama, for over 30 years.
One of the things I have done was to counsel with post abortion women. Without going into detail, many of these women are just as much the victims of abortion as their dead babes.
Secondly, according to statistics posted by others in these threads, the baby (notice I did not dehumanize the child by calling it an "embryo", a "zygote", a "fetus", or even the rather vague term I've heard all too often-"products of conception")...the BABY has something like a 1 in 4...or is it a 1 in 6 chance of growing up gay.
While I can be happy that the BABY is alive and able to make these choices, as opposed to being murdered in his mother's womb, I am still opposed to homosexuality based on the fact that the God that I worship has said that it is an abomination.
I'm sorry if this seems somehow hypocritical to you...
 
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Do you really think that biological substances need to be contained in the same environmental containers, stored and transported in the same configurations that clothes are.

Please do a little research on this, please. The regulations on simple medical waste is astronomically expensive. How much more expensive do you think providing a viable means of retaining human tissue is. Have you ever looked at what it takes to keep body parts that are donated by people killed in a car wreak?
And yet the family that donates their brother or sister or whatever that died in the car wreck are not expected to pay to have him transported to the lab...
 
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