Atheistic Darwinist Creationism and It's Just a Sack of Chemicals

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Your remark is off topic, but I'll address it anyhow.
First of all, as I've mentioned in other threads, I've been a volunteer in an abortion alternative clinic...actually two of them, one in Arizona, and later one here in Alabama, for over 30 years.
One of the things I have done was to counsel with post abortion women. Without going into detail, many of these women are just as much the victims of abortion as their dead babes.

Assumptions based on interpretations.

Secondly, according to statistics posted by others in these threads, the baby (notice I did not dehumanize the child by calling it an "embryo", a "zygote", a "fetus", or even the rather vague term I've heard all too often-"products of conception")...the BABY has something like a 1 in 4...or is it a 1 in 6 chance of growing up gay.
While I can be happy that the BABY is alive and able to make these choices, as opposed to being murdered in his mother's womb, I am still opposed to homosexuality based on the fact that the God that I worship has said that it is an abomination.
I'm sorry if this seems somehow hypocritical to you...

I don't know the statistics since I've known people who are so afraid of being demonized by the very people that believe in this God of yours, that they deny their own existence and hide themselves. It still hold true that they are the same kind of abominations that Abortion is to many in your community so they are actually born into a world, that if Christians ran they would have the same as dead.

 

[The Cadet]

That's not the way it sounds, but assuming that is true, aren't they making enough from the couple of thousand murde...errrm...abortions they perform every day at four to five hundred dollars a pop? Let's face it, it's a multi-billion dollar enterprise...

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When I donate toys or clothes to Goodwill, I don't charge them for transportation costs...

As said, the returns are to cover the costs of transportation. It's not exactly a huge profit margin here. And there are some substantial differences between transporting clothes (or even medical cadavers for that matter) and transporting fetal tissue. It's difficult and expensive and often requires significant expertise in storage, cooling, and the like. It's not unreasonable to expect the donor to be reimbursed those costs, especially if they aren't costs the donor could reasonably swallow in their enterprise.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

And yet the family that donates their brother or sister or whatever that died in the car wreck are not expected to pay to have him transported to the lab...

Excuse me. The families of these aborted babies are not paying for anything. The abortion service is being reimbursed for containing the body parts at their facility, I do believe and the money comes from the research facilities.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Getting back to the topic, The idea of blaming everything on the ideal of evolution is ludicrous. It's not an idea's fault that people do stupid, lazy and thoughtless things like having sex with someone for fun without protection or some young girl giving herself to some pimply faced boy who only says he loves her to get in bed with her. It isn't and idea's fault that some monster drags a young girl into a dark corner and rapes her or her father does her while his wife is out shopping.

This is why the need of abortion has come to be necessary in a world where irresponsibility is the norm and criminal monsters are judged to need mental cases that need counseling more that jail time. How many child molesters have been put in theropy instead of prisons so some shrink can change their sexual preference from children to adults, even though they can't change my heterosexual performance to anything else, if they tried?

It's our own fault that all this stuff is happening because we have desensitized ourselves by desiring instant gratification on the ways we demand to be entertained. Look at the movies we watch. Look at the talk shows and the albums we are listening to. Look at the sexualization of children in the fashion industries and you claim all that is due to something called evolution. Most people don't even know what evolution is and it is not human being coming from apes.

 

[TheBarrd]

Assumptions based on interpretations.

Not sure what that means. However, I do assure you that most of the women sitting in an abortion clinic at any given time desperately wish they could be anywhere else.
The maternal instinct is to protect her child. Sure, there are some women who are completely unaffected. I doubt that such a woman would make a very good mother...

I don't know the statistics since I've known people who are so afraid of being demonized by the very people that believe in this God of yours, that they deny their own existence and hide themselves. It still hold true that they are the same kind of abominations that Abortion is to many in your community so they are actually born into a world, that if Christians ran they would have the same as dead.

Anyone who believes that has bought into a lie. It is the sin that is the abomination, not the person.
And here's a newsflash...according to Christianity, ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Homosexual sex is just one sin...there are many more to choose from. If sin is an abomination (and it is) then we are all guilty...yes, me too.

That doesn't mean we must condone sin, or encourage it in ourselves or in others, or participate in it, or provide for it in any way.

Sin is something we are all born with. We can choose to indulge our flesh in our sin...or we can choose to repent and, with God's help, turn from our isn.
I chose option #2.

I was born into sin....
That is why I needed a Savior.

 

[The Cadet]

We can choose to indulge our flesh in our sin...or we can choose to repent and, with God's help, turn from our isn.
I chose option #2.

I was born into sin....
That is why I needed a Savior.

Does it bother anyone else that a basic bodily function is seen as "sinful"? I mean, even if we ignore the scientific perspective, this means god created us with a system in our body that directs us to do something basically 24/7 between the ages of 14 and 60, and made it so that doing this thing feels awesome, and then told us very firmly, "don't do that". What a bizarre idea.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Does it bother anyone else that a basic bodily function is seen as "sinful"? I mean, even if we ignore the scientific perspective, this means god created us with a system in our body that directs us to do something basically 24/7 between the ages of 14 and 60, and made it so that doing this thing feels awesome, and then told us very firmly, "don't do that". What a bizarre idea.

Yes it does bother me that there is a religion that justifies repressing every form of human expression that has anything to do with the capsule we are born in and live our lives. It bothers me that we are to feel ashamed of being human and to dedicate ourselves to living a life terrified of living for ourselves instead of a deity that looks down upon it's supposed creation with disgust because of some figure called Adam who was printed in a book. It bothers me that people expand on something that in its place is comforting, but when forced out into the world that disbelieves it, it takes on a repressive, totalitarianism that is despotic and belligerent to the extreame

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Not sure what that means. However, I do assure you that most of the women sitting in an abortion clinic at any given time desperately wish they could be anywhere else.
The maternal instinct is to protect her child. Sure, there are some women who are completely unaffected. I doubt that such a woman would make a very good mother...

as I've said assumptions based on interpretations.
As far as the word MOTHER goes, To many it is nothing more than the first part of a curse word.

Anyone who believes that has bought into a lie. It is the sin that is the abomination, not the person.
And here's a newsflash...according to Christianity, ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Homosexual sex is just one sin...there are many more to choose from. If sin is an abomination (and it is) then we are all guilty...yes, me too.

That doesn't mean we must condone sin, or encourage it in ourselves or in others, or participate in it, or provide for it in any way.

Sin is something we are all born with. We can choose to indulge our flesh in our sin...or we can choose to repent and, with God's help, turn from our isn.
I chose option #2.

I was born into sin....
That is why I needed a Savior.

You have your right to your personal religion. I have no problem with Christianity or any other religion, but putting it out as a rebuttal to a non believer is an exercise in futility.

People are people to me and an embryo is a person who has not yet been born. If they are by law the responsibility of the parent until they are of the age of 18, then they are the responsibility of the parent when they are created and they are the responsibility of the parent who walks into these clinics and destroys them.

 

[TheBarrd]

Getting back to the topic, The idea of blaming everything on the ideal of evolution is ludicrous. It's not an idea's fault that people do stupid, lazy and thoughtless things like having sex with someone for fun without protection or some young girl giving herself to some pimply faced boy who only says he loves her to get in bed with her. It isn't and idea's fault that some monster drags a young girl into a dark corner and rapes her or her father does her while his wife is out shopping.

First of all, abortion is more than an "idea". It is a sad reality.

Perhaps if our society did not glorify sex as it does, perhaps we'd see less irresponsible sex. However, being stupid, lazy and thoughtless are not excuses for murder. I should think that most people who are able to have sex do know where babies come from. If they don't want to have children, perhaps they shouldn't be having sex? However, once the deed is done, and the baby is a reality, the answer is not to murder him. There are always people who would be thrilled to adopt that baby.

As for victims of rape or incest, I agree...these victims should not have to carry the reminder of their humiliation and pain.
However, I do know of one lady who chose to keep her child of rape...and he is the joy of her existence. For her, he is a miracle.

This is why the need of abortion has come to be necessary in a world where irresponsibility is the norm and criminal monsters are judged to need mental cases that need counseling more that jail time. How many child molesters have been put in theropy instead of prisons so some shrink can change their sexual preference from children to adults, even though they can't change my heterosexual performance to anything else, if they tried?

You are thinking that we need abortion to be legal because of rape and incest? I don't know what world you come from, but here on earth, these kinds of behaviors are illegal, and pregnancy from them rare.
Rape and Incest: Just 1% of All Abortions screams this New York Times article:
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/13/us/rape-and-incest-just-1-of-all-abortions.html

In any case, abortions in these kinds of cases should be legal. However, abortion because "I'm not ready for a child right now" should not be. Geese, we have sex education at school...don't these people know that if they have sex, they could get pregnant?

It's our own fault that all this stuff is happening because we have desensitized ourselves by desiring instant gratification on the ways we demand to be entertained. Look at the movies we watch. Look at the talk shows and the albums we are listening to. Look at the sexualization of children in the fashion industries and you claim all that is due to something called evolution. Most people don't even know what evolution is and it is not human being coming from apes.

Ummmmm

What?

 

[justlookinla]

Yes, the thread is pointless.

Not really. The question is, are we more than dust or an evolved sack of chemicals?

 

[justlookinla]

Getting back to the topic, The idea of blaming everything on the ideal of evolution is ludicrous. It's not an idea's fault that people do stupid, lazy and thoughtless things like having sex with someone for fun without protection or some young girl giving herself to some pimply faced boy who only says he loves her to get in bed with her. It isn't and idea's fault that some monster drags a young girl into a dark corner and rapes her or her father does her while his wife is out shopping.

This is why the need of abortion has come to be necessary in a world where irresponsibility is the norm and criminal monsters are judged to need mental cases that need counseling more that jail time. How many child molesters have been put in theropy instead of prisons so some shrink can change their sexual preference from children to adults, even though they can't change my heterosexual performance to anything else, if they tried?

It's our own fault that all this stuff is happening because we have desensitized ourselves by desiring instant gratification on the ways we demand to be entertained. Look at the movies we watch. Look at the talk shows and the albums we are listening to. Look at the sexualization of children in the fashion industries and you claim all that is due to something called evolution. Most people don't even know what evolution is and it is not human being coming from apes.

The form of evolution commonly known as Darwinist evolution definitely impacts the practice of killing one's unborn child. Darwinist evolution results in a worldview where the unborn is nothing but a sack of evolved chemicals and destroying that sack has no moral implications.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

First of all, abortion is more than an "idea". It is a sad reality.

Jimney Christmas Lady we are talking about Darwinism. I did say at the beginning of that post, "Getting back on the topic,"

Perhaps if our society did not glorify sex as it does, perhaps we'd see less irresponsible sex. However, being stupid, lazy and thoughtless are not excuses for murder. I should think that most people who are able to have sex do know where babies come from. If they don't want to have children, perhaps they shouldn't be having sex? However, once the deed is done, and the baby is a reality, the answer is not to murder him. There are always people who would be thrilled to adopt that baby.

I'm talking about acting irresponsible in having sex without protection, which then creates unwanted pregnancy and then the need to have the abortion in the first place

As for victims of rape or incest, I agree...these victims should not have to carry the reminder of their humiliation and pain.
However, I do know of one lady who chose to keep her child of rape...and he is the joy of her existence. For her, he is a miracle. Perhaps the church should not be against contraception and actively funnel people into these abortion clinics in the first place.

You are thinking that we need abortion to be legal because of rape and incest? I don't know what world you come from, but here on earth, these kinds of behaviors are illegal, and pregnancy from them rare.
Rape and Incest: Just 1% of All Abortions screams this New York Times article:

I said the option should be open to them if they chose. It is still up to them and it is their decision to have one. As far as your insults go I guess claiming to be a Christian you feel you are authorized to act so because you are so much more holy than I, but that's another thing the church is loosing parishioners for. Righteous arrogance seems to be big in theocratic communities.

As for rapes, It's a known fact that a good many rapes are never reported and so how are you so sure your data is correct.

In any case, abortions in these kinds of cases should be legal. However, abortion because "I'm not ready for a child right now" should not be. Geese, we have sex education at school...don't these people know that if they have sex, they could get pregnant?

Do you even know the definition of irresponsible. You know the word I've been tossing around quite frequently.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

The form of evolution commonly known as Darwinist evolution definitely impacts the practice of killing one's unborn child. Darwinist evolution results in a worldview where the unborn is nothing but a sack of evolved chemicals and destroying that sack has no moral implications.

I'm sure you believe that whole-heatedly and I'm happy you do. it validates all your prejudices about the subject.

Outside the confines of your physical self others have different opinion.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Not really. The question is, are we more than dust or an evolved sack of chemicals?

Why do you put out as factual what you think people think in the OP and then ask the question as if people actually think that way?

This whole thread is nothing more than a red herring.

 

[TheBarrd]

Jimney Christmas Lady we are talking about Darwinism. I did say at the beginning of that post, "Getting back on the topic,"

That made me smile. I've not heard anyone say "Jimney Christmas" in a long time...

I'm talking about acting irresponsible in having sex without protection, which then creates unwanted pregnancy and then the need to have the abortion in the first place

And my response is that murdering the child to cover the irresponsible behavior of the parents is inexcusable, and should not be legal.

"As for victims of rape or incest, I agree...these victims should not have to carry the reminder of their humiliation and pain.
However, I do know of one lady who chose to keep her child of rape...and he is the joy of her existence. For her, he is a miracle. "

Perhaps the church should not be against contraception and actively funnel people into these abortion clinics in the first place.

The only people I know of who are against contraception would be Catholics...and I don't think all of them are in agreement, but as I'm not Catholic, i wouldn't know.
In any case, I'm pretty sure most people know that having unprotected sex often results in pregnancy.

I said the option should be open to them if they chose. It is still up to them and it is their decision to have one. As far as your insults go I guess claiming to be a Christian you feel you are authorized to act so because you are so much more holy than I, but that's another thing the church is loosing parishioners for. Righteous arrogance seems to be big in theocratic communities.

Did I insult you? If I did, I most humbly apologize, as that was never my intention.

As for rapes, It's a known fact that a good many rapes are never reported and so how are you so sure your data is correct.

It's not my data. It is the New York Times' data. I have no idea where they got it from, but I have heard the estimate put as low as one tenth of one percent.
Now, while I think that rape and incest are reprehensible, and I do agree that abortion should be available to the victims of such monstrosities, I do think that a woman who would choose to carry her child and raise him is someone to be admired. She is one of the unsung heroes of motherhood...

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

That made me smile. I've not heard anyone say "Jimney Christmas" in a long time...

You aught to see the odometer setting on my ticker. That would explain much.

And my response is that murdering the child to cover the irresponsible behavior of the parents is inexcusable, and should not be legal.

You have my agreement on the irresponsibility waver, but in a world where instant gratification irresponsibility is a life style. As far as the legality of it, talk to a judge about this. I'm just pointing out that you can't blame the service provider for preforming services that people require. It's the people who don't care and care is what is needed. Too bad care seems to be cloistered in the individual. Welcome to the world of technological toys and the girls and boys who care more for them than they do each other.

The only people I know of who are against contraception would be Catholics...and I don't think all of them are in agreement, but as I'm not Catholic, i wouldn't know.
In any case, I'm pretty sure most people know that having unprotected sex often results in pregnancy.

Yep!

It's not my data. It is the New York Times' data. I have no idea where they got it from, but I have heard the estimate put as low as one tenth of one percent.
Now, while I think that rape and incest are reprehensible, and I do agree that abortion should be available to the victims of such monstrosities, I do think that a woman who would choose to carry her child and raise him is someone to be admired. She is one of the unsung heroes of motherhood...

All adults that choice life of a child over their freedom to act irresponsibly are heroes. Those that choose freedom don't understand the concept of freedom and will end up more alone than free, carrying the burden of wondering what if? but that's their choice!

 

[justlookinla]

I'm sure you believe that whole-heatedly and I'm happy you do. it validates all your prejudices about the subject.

Outside the confines of your physical self others have different opinion.

I'm very aware that others have different opinions. We saw a sickening example of that in the Planned Parenthood baby parts business video which recently surfaced.

 

[justlookinla]

Why do you put out as factual what you think people think in the OP and then ask the question as if people actually think that way?

This whole thread is nothing more than a red herring.

This thread is offering examples of those who embrace the worldview of Darwinist evolution and those who don't.

 

[TheBarrd]

You aught to see the odometer setting on my ticker. That would explain much.

Darlin, I'm a great grandma...
I look pretty good for an old dame in her middle sixties, don't you think?

You have my agreement on the irresponsibility waver, but in a world where instant gratification irresponsibility is a life style. As far as the legality of it, talk to a judge about this. I'm just pointing out that you can't blame the service provider for preforming services that people require. It's the people who don't care and care is what is needed. Too bad care seems to be cloistered in the individual. Welcome to the world of technological toys and the girls and boys who care more for them than they do each other.

Sometimes I do wonder if we wouldn't be better off simply to sterilize these folks, so they can have all the sex they want, and no harm done.
It seems fairly obvious to me that someone who would kill their kid for the sake of convenience is not going to be a very good parent, and God knows we have enough child abuse and neglect as it is...

Yep!

All adults that choice life of a child over their freedom to act irresponsibly are heroes. Those that choose freedom don't understand the concept of freedom and will end up more alone than free, carrying the burden of wondering what if? but that's their choice!

And that is the saddest thing of all....

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

This thread is offering examples of those who embrace the worldview of Darwinist evolution and those who don't.

Nope. It's suggesting that Darwinism has created a certain mindset that devalues human life into what you suppose is it's basic elements.

What you have done is

(1) create an image in peoples minds of those who cater to Darwinism. Which is prejudicial at best.

(2) create a straw man. - The mere fact that you know nothing of what those who believe in Darwinism thinks about our species other than they don't agree with you is as the creation of a straw man.

(3) False association. You literally assume that because of this mindset you assume other people have creates an atmosphere where it is acceptable to sell baby parts.

(4) assume the truth. - You end up assuming what is the truth about this story as if there is no evidence against.

This is a red herring to demonize PP because of what you think they are capable of and how they got there included rejecting your God.

Good grief. Why don't you just hit me in the face with a sperm whale and say it was a minnow. It's that obvious!

If you want to talk about something, lets talk about something. I am all for that, but when you try to maneuver people into preconstructed scenarios you make yourself look underhanded.