Why is Jesus the ????

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why would you say that?

Anyway can you explain Mark 12:28-31?

And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him,
Which is the first commandment of all?

And Jesus answered him,
The first of all the commandments is,
Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. ***

And the second is like it, namely this,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. ***


There is none other commandment greater than these.


*** This comes from Deuteronomy 6, we call it the Shema, it is the uptmost statement of faith in our G-d.
4 Hear, O Israel: The L-RD our God is one L-RD: 5 And thou shalt love the L-RD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. 9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

*** This comes from Leviticus 19:18
"'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the L-RD.

As you can see to Jesus there is an order and those two greatest are not in the Exodus list, nor the Deuteronomy list, but it is because of what I said before and posted a chart I made years ago explaining Matthew 22

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. ***
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.***

As you see this matches what Mark says, but includes the full explanation:

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


Now combine that with Matt 5:19

So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God's laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.


Now that is of course speaking of the least commandment which we aren't told what it is, but what happens if you ignore the Greatest?
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Do you believe, as Elder 111 believes, that the Ten Commandments are more significant than the other 603 because God Himself gave us the Ten, but not the others? Would you also say that we are, therefore, under obligation to obey the Ten but not the other 603?

 

[Lulav]

Do you believe, as Elder 111 believes, that the Ten Commandments are more significant than the other 603 because God Himself gave us the Ten, but not the others? Would you also say that we are, therefore, under obligation to obey the Ten but not the other 603?

I'm confused here, did you not read my post? All explaining about the two greatest commandments and neither is in the ten?

 

[Elder 111]

Do you believe, as Elder 111 believes, that the Ten Commandments are more significant than the other 603 because God Himself gave us the Ten, but not the others? Would you also say that we are, therefore, under obligation to obey the Ten but not the other 603?

That is not what I said! Now speak the truth!

 

[Elder 111]

Question. Are we suppose to be righteous in God's sight today as Christians? Ps 37:
30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

31 The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.

 

[Frogster]

Thanks for the clarification. It looks like you are at odds with Elder 111 and in agreement with Froggie and myself that you cannot divorce the ten commandments from the other 603.

yup!

 

[Elder 111]

God made a mistake when He separated the Ten commandments from the other laws? The sacrifice of a lamb is the same as to not tell lies? The law of circumcision is equal to the law of worshiping God alone?

 

[Lulav]

Do you believe, as Elder 111 believes, that the Ten Commandments are more significant than the other 603 because God Himself gave us the Ten, but not the others? Would you also say that we are, therefore, under obligation to obey the Ten but not the other 603?

I guess this reply means you can't explain this.

Anyway can you explain Mark 12:28-31?

And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him,
Which is the first commandment of all?

And Jesus answered him,
The first of all the commandments is,
Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. ***

And the second is like it, namely this,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. ***


There is none other commandment greater than these.


*** This comes from Deuteronomy 6, we call it the Shema, it is the uptmost statement of faith in our G-d.
4 Hear, O Israel: The L-RD our God is one L-RD: 5 And thou shalt love the L-RD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. 9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

*** This comes from Leviticus 19:18
"'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the L-RD.

As you can see to Jesus there is an order and those two greatest are not in the Exodus list, nor the Deuteronomy list, but it is because of what I said before and posted a chart I made years ago explaining Matthew 22

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. ***
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.***

As you see this matches what Mark says, but includes the full explanation:

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


Now combine that with Matt 5:19

So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God's laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.


Now that is of course speaking of the least commandment which we aren't told what it is, but what happens if you ignore the Greatest?
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[bugkiller]

You can say that a million times it still is not true! Where in the bible does you see that? Nowhere! That idea is proposed to gain a reason to say that all the laws of the OT is gone, done with when Jesus says the complete opposite. You say the complete opposite, for you call the violation of the ten commandments sin. If the ten commandments are not for us we can not be guilty of violating it, that is a simple fact!
If all the laws of the OT are one unit why did God insist on writing the ten Commandments Himself and kept them separate from the rest of the laws?

What difference should it make to you, when you don't keep your biggie? Is what Paul said true or not? Are you going to comply or not? If not it doesn't matter one little twit which one you break or don't keep. The deal is if you violate the law, stand condemned and will receive its demand. This can be avoided by following the Spirit instead of the altered rule list. Rom 8

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

According to you this is the same as violating the ten commandments, since it is all one law. Do you feel the same way about adultery or serving another god? How then can they be all one law?

See above post. Thanks

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Oh, I know you were responding to him, that is probably why I didn't quote your post but just put it beneath, only to point out to you or anyone else wondering that the 613 are not separate, I don't believe that you can separate them for one people or another, They are G-ds laws for G-ds people.

Moses says they were only for Israel in Deut 5. God's people are no longer exclusively Israel. Rom 9:25

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

But the elect are also gentiles, Col 3:12, Rom 11:7, etc, who were never under food laws, or feasts.The church is not under the defunct cov.

Amen and amen!

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

You don't intend to understand. The scriptures states that God wrote the Ten commandments Himself. Is that not correct? If God made sure that He wrote it Himself then it must be of greater importance than the others. Just as man is greater than the animals for God made a point of creating him with His own hands. Now because God created man with His own hands, does that mean He did not create the other beings? Stop being ridiculous!

Now there's a great idea. Maybe you should take your own counsel.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

God made a mistake when He separated the Ten commandments from the other laws? The sacrifice of a lamb is the same as to not tell lies? The law of circumcision is equal to the law of worshiping God alone?

When it comes to keeping or violating, YES! Otherwise what we call a white lie isn't a lie but a black lie is. hehehehe God didn't classify any sin as worse than another.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I guess this reply means you can't explain this.

Anyway can you explain Mark 12:28-31?

And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him,
Which is the first commandment of all?

And Jesus answered him,
The first of all the commandments is,
Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. ***

And the second is like it, namely this,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. ***


There is none other commandment greater than these.


*** This comes from Deuteronomy 6, we call it the Shema, it is the uptmost statement of faith in our G-d.
4 Hear, O Israel: The L-RD our God is one L-RD: 5 And thou shalt love the L-RD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. 9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

*** This comes from Leviticus 19:18
"'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the L-RD.

As you can see to Jesus there is an order and those two greatest are not in the Exodus list, nor the Deuteronomy list, but it is because of what I said before and posted a chart I made years ago explaining Matthew 22

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. ***
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.***

As you see this matches what Mark says, but includes the full explanation:

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


Now combine that with Matt 5:19

So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God's laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.


Now that is of course speaking of the least commandment which we aren't told what it is, but what happens if you ignore the Greatest?
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21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Doesn't read to me like Jesus was teaching the law.

bugkiller

 

[Lulav]

21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Doesn't read to me like Jesus was teaching the law.

bugkiller

You need to read the verses quoted if you want to participate in an honest discussion. If you read my post thouroughly you would see that there are greatest and least commandments according to Jesus, so your "hehehehe God didn't classify any sin as worse than another. " is spot off.

 

[Elder 111]

What difference should it make to you, when you don't keep your biggie? Is what Paul said true or not? Are you going to comply or not? If not it doesn't matter one little twit which one you break or don't keep. The deal is if you violate the law, stand condemned and will receive its demand. This can be avoided by following the Spirit instead of the altered rule list. Rom 8

bugkiller

If it matters not what we do why is God acknowledge those who do to be His children? Rev. 12:17. 22:14-16. So If I stand condemned when I break the law how can it not be for me? Will the Spirit teach me not to keep the law or to keep it? Will the Spirit lead me to steal or not to steal? Will the Spirit lead me to lie or not to lie?

 

[Elder 111]

Moses says they were only for Israel in Deut 5. God's people are no longer exclusively Israel. Rom 9:25

bugkiller

We are grafted into the same tree and are Abraham's seed. Rom .15-19. There is no them and we in salvation. No two means of salvation, just one. From Adam to the last man all are saved by the same means, and are required to live in obedience to God. Cain was guilty of murder and as is anyone else who breaks that command.

 

[bbbbbbb]

We are grafted into the same tree and are Abraham's seed. Rom .15-19. There is no them and we in salvation. No two means of salvation, just one. From Adam to the last man all are saved by the same means, and are required to live in obedience to God. Cain was guilty of murder and as is anyone else who breaks that command.

So, precisely what laws was Adam required to obey in order to be saved?

 

[Elder 111]

So, precisely what laws was Adam required to obey in order to be saved?

This of course would be after Adam sinned. For he was created in a "saved" condition. The same ten Commandments!

 

[bbbbbbb]

This of course would be after Adam sinned. For he was created in a "saved" condition. The same ten Commandments!

Adam and Eve were created innocent of sin, not saved from sin simply because they had not sinned. One cannot be saved until one is lost.

Back to my question. Following the Fall, precisely which laws was Adam required to obey?