Why is Jesus the ????

[Frogster]

Yeah! with a side of spam.

Lobster- The Cockroach of the sea -formally the food of the poor, migrants, servants and cats until someone did a smash up PR propaganda job on it with unsuspecting people who had never seen one.

I actually never had spam, i hear it is tasty, however the frog enjoys foods that are higher on the culinary scale.

 

[Frogster]

First off, all of the men in my own family were circumcised. I don't know of any Christian men who are not...of course, I don't know what other men might be hiding under their trousers, and I'm not the one to go and ask them.
Secondly, I don't think getting circumcised has anything to do with the ten commandments, which is all the law I am talking about.
And thirdly, that is what the debate between Paul and Peter was over and what was settled at the Council in Jerusalem.

I thought everyone knew that?

but if circumcised they would be bound to the whole law anyway.

Ga; 5:3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

 

[Frogster]

AMEN!
And do you know what happens when a live lobster is tossed into boiling water to be cooked? A rather brutal thing to do, btw...not very kind to the little bug...
If you guessed that he poops in the water he's being cooked in, you get a big A+!
Wanna go get some expensive lobster???

well gee, a beef slaughterhouse is brutal too...so is suffocating a fish in a net, we can say that about just about any animal..cutting off there heads, boiling, all the same

 

[Frogster]

No Thanks, give mine to Froggie.

thanks! dunk that guy in butter, and it will make me scream with delight!

 

[Elder 111]

please how many times must I post that the law was one legal code? you uphold food laws, but not feasts, so long ad you do that there is a word for that kind of theology,

You can say that a million times it still is not true! Where in the bible does you see that? Nowhere! That idea is proposed to gain a reason to say that all the laws of the OT is gone, done with when Jesus says the complete opposite. You say the complete opposite, for you call the violation of the ten commandments sin. If the ten commandments are not for us we can not be guilty of violating it, that is a simple fact!
If all the laws of the OT are one unit why did God insist on writing the ten Commandments Himself and kept them separate from the rest of the laws?

 

[Elder 111]

thanks! dunk that guy in butter, and it will make me scream with delight!

According to you this is the same as violating the ten commandments, since it is all one law. Do you feel the same way about adultery or serving another god? How then can they be all one law?

 

[bbbbbbb]

You can say that a million times it still is not true! Where in the bible does you see that? Nowhere! That idea is proposed to gain a reason to say that all the laws of the OT is gone, done with when Jesus says the complete opposite. You say the complete opposite, for you call the violation of the ten commandments sin. If the ten commandments are not for us we can not be guilty of violating it, that is a simple fact!
If all the laws of the OT are one unit why did God insist on writing the ten Commandments Himself and kept them separate from the rest of the laws?

So, if I understand you correctly, you seem to be asserting that the ten commandments were divinely inspired, but the other 603 were not, or, if they were, God really didn't mean to give them anything close to the significance of the ten. That being the case, you probably consider incest to be acceptable behavior because it is not prohibited in the ten commandments, although it is strictly prohibited in the other 603 commandments.

 

[Lulav]

The 'ten words' are ten headings, all other laws fall into one or more of those categories.
Jesus defined them as being divided further into two greatest

Love the L-RD your G-d
And Love your neighbor as yourself.

It's like this

........................................................ Food
........................................................... /
.......................................................... /
...................................Meat------------/-----------------Vegetation
...................................../................................................... /
..................................../..................................................../
............ Poultry-----Fish-----Mammals..........Vegetables---/-----Fruits

 

[bbbbbbb]

The 'ten words' are ten headings, all other laws fall into one or more of those categories.
Jesus defined them as being divided further into two greatest
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Love the L-RD your G-d
And Love your neighbor as yourself.

It's like this

........................................................ Food
........................................................... /
.......................................................... /
...................................Meat------------/-----------------Vegetation
...................................../................................................... /
..................................../..................................................../
............ Poultry-----Fish-----Mammals..........Vegetables---/-----Fruits

Is this a random post or are you responding to my previous post? It would help immensely if you would quote the post to which you are replying. Thank you.

 

[Lulav]

Is this a random post or are you responding to my previous post? It would help immensely if you would quote the post to which you are replying. Thank you.

Were you not posting about the 10 commandments in the post right before mine? If so how can that be a random post? If you wish to ignore it on those grounds others I'm sure will gain from reading it.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Were you not posting about the 10 commandments in the post right before mine? If so how can that be a random post? If you wish to ignore it on those grounds others I'm sure will gain from reading it.

I did not want to offend you lest I wrongly think that you were adding new information to the overall discussion. If you recall, my post was address to Elder 111 and not yourself, so I was unsure about the intent of your post.

As for your response, I really do think it difficult to associate each and every one of the other 603 laws to one of the ten commandments.

 

[Lulav]

I did not want to offend you lest I wrongly think that you were adding new information to the overall discussion. If you recall, my post was address to Elder 111 and not yourself, so I was unsure about the intent of your post.

As for your response, I really do think it difficult to associate each and every one of the other 603 laws to one of the ten commandments.

Oh, I know you were responding to him, that is probably why I didn't quote your post but just put it beneath, only to point out to you or anyone else wondering that the 613 are not separate, I don't believe that you can separate them for one people or another, They are G-ds laws for G-ds people.

 

[Frogster]

You can say that a million times it still is not true! Where in the bible does you see that? Nowhere! That idea is proposed to gain a reason to say that all the laws of the OT is gone, done with when Jesus says the complete opposite. You say the complete opposite, for you call the violation of the ten commandments sin. If the ten commandments are not for us we can not be guilty of violating it, that is a simple fact!
If all the laws of the OT are one unit why did God insist on writing the ten Commandments Himself and kept them separate from the rest of the laws?

The law is one..here we go again! Look at the first verse, the 10 were in the cov, the cov was broken if one broke any rule, see Lev 26:15 below it. It was ALL in the book of the law!





Deut 4:13 And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments, and he wrote them on two tablets of stone.


Leviticus 26:15
if you spurn my statutes, and if your soul abhors my rules, so that you will not do all my commandments, but break my covenant,




Deut 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.



Hebrews 9:19 Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood. 19 For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you



Exodus 24:3 Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD and all the rules. And all the people answered with one voice and said, “All the words that the LORD has spoken we will do.”


Josh 1:8 This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it.


All....THE BOOK, THAT OF GAL 3:10, ALL....

Deut 28:15 “But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord your God or be careful to do allhis commandments and his statutes that I command you today, then all these cursesshall come upon you and overtake you.



Deut 28:58 “If you are not careful to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that you may fear this glorious and awesome name, the Lord your God,


Neh 10:29 join with their brothers, their nobles, and enter into a curse and an oath to walk in God's Law that was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and doallthe commandments of the Lord our Lord and his rules and his statutes.

Ex 24:7 Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient.”


James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.11 For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.



Gal 5:3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.



Gal 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

 

[Frogster]

Oh, I know you were responding to him, that is probably why I didn't quote your post but just put it beneath, only to point out to you or anyone else wondering that the 613 are not separate, I don't believe that you can separate them for one people or another, They are G-ds laws for G-ds people.

But the elect are also gentiles, Col 3:12, Rom 11:7, etc, who were never under food laws, or feasts.The church is not under the defunct cov.

 

[Frogster]

So, if I understand you correctly, you seem to be asserting that the ten commandments were divinely inspired, but the other 603 were not, or, if they were, God really didn't mean to give them anything close to the significance of the ten. That being the case, you probably consider incest to be acceptable behavior because it is not prohibited in the ten commandments, although it is strictly prohibited in the other 603 commandments.

yes and the odd thing is, they keep food laws out of Lev but ignore feast laws out of the same book. I don;t keep feasts either, but i do not push food laws.I do not propose a cafeteria buffet menu.

 

[Frogster]

The 'ten words' are ten headings, all other laws fall into one or more of those categories.
Jesus defined them as being divided further into two greatest
View attachment 160450

Love the L-RD your G-d
And Love your neighbor as yourself.

It's like this

........................................................ Food
........................................................... /
.......................................................... /
...................................Meat------------/-----------------Vegetation
...................................../................................................... /
..................................../..................................................../
............ Poultry-----Fish-----Mammals..........Vegetables---/-----Fruits

oh my.....

 

[bbbbbbb]

Oh, I know you were responding to him, that is probably why I didn't quote your post but just put it beneath, only to point out to you or anyone else wondering that the 613 are not separate, I don't believe that you can separate them for one people or another, They are G-ds laws for G-ds people.

Thanks for the clarification. It looks like you are at odds with Elder 111 and in agreement with Froggie and myself that you cannot divorce the ten commandments from the other 603.

 

[Elder 111]

So, if I understand you correctly, you seem to be asserting that the ten commandments were divinely inspired, but the other 603 were not, or, if they were, God really didn't mean to give them anything close to the significance of the ten. That being the case, you probably consider incest to be acceptable behavior because it is not prohibited in the ten commandments, although it is strictly prohibited in the other 603 commandments.

You don't intend to understand. The scriptures states that God wrote the Ten commandments Himself. Is that not correct? If God made sure that He wrote it Himself then it must be of greater importance than the others. Just as man is greater than the animals for God made a point of creating him with His own hands. Now because God created man with His own hands, does that mean He did not create the other beings? Stop being ridiculous!

 

[bbbbbbb]

You don't intend to understand. The scriptures states that God wrote the Ten commandments Himself. Is that not correct? If God made sure that He wrote it Himself then it must be of greater importance than the others. Just as man is greater than the animals for God made a point of creating him with His own hands. Now because God created man with His own hands, does that mean He did not create the other beings? Stop being ridiculous!

Gotcha. I suggest you take this up with Lulav who does not share your view.

 

[Lulav]

Gotcha. I suggest you take this up with Lulav who does not share your view.

why would you say that?

Anyway can you explain Mark 12:28-31?

And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him,
Which is the first commandment of all?

And Jesus answered him,
The first of all the commandments is,
Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. ***

And the second is like it, namely this,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. ***


There is none other commandment greater than these.


*** This comes from Deuteronomy 6, we call it the Shema, it is the uptmost statement of faith in our G-d.
4 Hear, O Israel: The L-RD our God is one L-RD: 5 And thou shalt love the L-RD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. 9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

*** This comes from Leviticus 19:18
"'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the L-RD.

As you can see to Jesus there is an order and those two greatest are not in the Exodus list, nor the Deuteronomy list, but it is because of what I said before and posted a chart I made years ago explaining Matthew 22

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. ***
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.***

As you see this matches what Mark says, but includes the full explanation:

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


Now combine that with Matt 5:19

So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God's laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.


Now that is of course speaking of the least commandment which we aren't told what it is, but what happens if you ignore the Greatest?