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Evolution and the myth of "scientific consensus"
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Oncedeceived
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What I am saying here is "biologists claim that the life forms on earth and the systems within them appear to be designed for a purpose." What we observe is evidence. Scientific observation is the central element of scientific method or process. The core skill of scientist is to make observation. Scientists/biologists OBSERVE that life forms appear to be designed for a purpose. I see this evidence and it confirms what the Bible predicts should be found in the life forms God created. I am capable of making comprehensive and cognitive analysis of said evidence due to being equipped with intelligence that comes from intelligence which is more cohesive and reasonable than claiming to have my intelligence a product of a non-intelligent, mindless process devoid of intelligence.
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Oncedeceived
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What we observe is evidence. Scientific observation is the central element of scientific method or process. The core skill of scientist is to make observation. Scientists/biologists OBSERVE that life forms appear to be designed for a purpose.
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Notice that they didn't say it was evidence. The usage of "appearance" is the same usage for the appearance of bunnies in clouds.
The appearance of design is not a scientific observation. It is a subjective opinion.
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No, it isn't.
Evidence:
"the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid."
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=evidence
Your subjective opinions of appearances is not relevant to determining if ID is true or not. What we need are objective measurements and statistical analyses. Where are they?
Your subjective opinion on appearances is not scientific evidence.
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Oncedeceived
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Your desire to believe this is evident. If the appearance equated to appearance of bunnies in clouds, there would be not need to explain it.
You only take this stance when the observation is not what you want to believe. The observation is design, it is scientific observation as it has been observed that these systems within life forms have the properties known to be as those seen in human design.
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Oncedeceived
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No, actually. When one claims that something has certain properties like what we find in human design it is inductively determined to fit the criteria of design.
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Oncedeceived
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The claim is that the evidence of design is not a product of design but a product of natural processes. Evidence-appears to be designed...explanation -->product of design or -->product of natural processes. There is no evidence which shows that this evidence is explained by natural processes.
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crjmurray
The Bear. Not The Bull.
Hogwash. Go to the North end of the East or West coast and find a rocky beach. Look long enough and you'll find sticks that "appear" to have been whittled into spears. In reality, these are just pieces of driftwood that have rubbed up against rocks over and over causing them to "appear" as if they were crafted. Drawing paralles from natural constructs to human design is not evidence of design.
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