Superiority

[Catherineanne]

True. I could be wrong, I suppose.
However, I began to suspect that was the problem early on, when he spoke of being "shoved into a box".
I can't think of many groups who accuse Christians of shoving them into a box. And a lot of Christians are guilty of doing just that, I'm afraid.
But it was the term "partner" that really clinched it. I asked him if he meant "business partner", but he ignored the question.
I can't think of another group that habitually uses that term. I've heard bf and gf, and significant other, and then there are those who refer to their "old man" or "old lady"...but I can't remember ever having heard a straight person refer to their "other half" as their "partner". Have you?

Yes. In the UK lots of people use the term 'partner' for common law spouse, as well as for business relationships.

Meanwhile this looks like very nasty speculation to me. I could be wrong, I suppose.

 

[Catherineanne]

Average Christian vs. an average Muslim.

No faith should be judged by its average members. The only fair way to judge any faith is by its most devout, most pious, most God fearing adherents; the Pope (or any other Patriarch, ftm) v the Ayatolah Khomenei (et al), perhaps.

Then it ought to be clear enough.

 

[Catherineanne]

I think you are referring to the Old Testament.
Consider, for example, the followers of the god, Molech. There was a ritual where all the women of a certain age were to run as fast as they could into the wilderness. A few minutes later, all the men of that age would be set after them. A man was allowed to rape any woman he could catch. Now, I imagine some of those gals were kinda slow, if you know what I mean...but it was still a rather brutal idea.
Anyway, nine months later, there would be a crop of babies from these matings.
What do you think happened to those kids?

Are you suggesting that women like being raped? How abhorrent.

Lord have mercy on us all.

 

[Catherineanne]

But when the Israelites showed up did they save these children? Just to clarify, you're saying that genocide is ethical when...?

When the Israelites showed up their prophets condemned infanticide totally, but many of the people and many of their kings thought it rather fun, and joined in.

Read Kings and Chronicles; it is all there.

 

[BabylonWeary]

The number I was hinting at was 1.

There's an awful lot of people standing between you and Jesus saying you've got to go through them to get to Him.

 

[BabylonWeary]

And, I still think that if you want to have a discussion about "superiority", comparing Christians to Muslisms or Atheists doesn't get anywhere. However, if you bring up the Mormons or the JW's, the accusations are telling.

 

[TheBarrd]

There's an awful lot of people standing between you and Jesus saying you've got to go through them to get to Him.

There is no one standing between a seeker and Jesus.
He invites all who will to come unto Him.

 

[TheBarrd]

And, I still think that if you want to have a discussion about "superiority", comparing Christians to Muslisms or Atheists doesn't get anywhere. However, if you bring up the Mormons or the JW's, the accusations are telling.

I think CF ruled awhile ago that, for the purposes of this website, Mormons and JWs are not Christians, and they cannot post in any "Christians Only" area.

 

[RhaegarTargaryen]

Well, St Paul does say that Christians (at least some, ie saints) will judge angels, and the world.

But not due to any moral superiority they have attained for themselves. And the whole "Saint vs. normal guy"-division is unbiblical and a lie of Rome. A Christian is a saint - that's the way the Scriptures speak of us.

 

[JustHisKid]

But not due to any moral superiority they have attained for themselves. And the whole "Saint vs. normal guy"-division is unbiblical and a lie of Rome. A Christian is a saint - that's the way the Scriptures speak of us.

Exactly. All Christians are saints. That's what a saint is.

 

[JustHisKid]

I think CF ruled awhile ago that, for the purposes of this website, Mormons and JWs are not Christians, and they cannot post in any "Christians Only" area.

It's odd they would claim those religions are not Christian when they claim to be Christian but that other religions are Christian. I thought CF allowed all religions to be claim to be Christian if they claim to be and not to question them.

 

[JustHisKid]

I apologize. I do not actually mean to debate. I just enjoy asking questions. I'm interested.

Understand that I do not doubt that you are a Christian. I am just not a fan of the whole chosen/True Christian idea. It is a particular problem of mine. I feel (and think I demonstrated) it spins in circles.

I am going to ask one more big question in a bit. Feel free to answer.

I think many people believe they are Christians but are mistaken. From the passages below, clearly there will be people who don't know Jesus who thought they were serving Him. Knowing Him is what matters.

Matthew 7
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

 

[TheBarrd]

It's odd they would claim those religions are not Christian when they claim to be Christian but that other religions are Christian. I thought CF allowed all religions to be claim to be Christian if they claim to be and not to question them.

I believe that, in the case of Mormons, the decision was based on their belief that God was once a man who lived on another planet and was raised to the status of godhood by the god of that planet, who attained his godhood in the same way...no one knows how many gods there might be, but given the numbers of stars we see, each of them having it's own god, evidently there are a great many.
At least from the Mormon perspective.
Many of them, having filled the requirement of being married to a wife in a temple ceremony, which binds them together, not just for this life, but throughout eternity, hope to be elevated to godhood one day themselves.
These teachings were deemed not to be in keeping with Christianity.

 

[AlexDTX]

Christians are not morally superior to non-Christians.

Christians are not superior to non-Christians in any way whatsoever.

-CryptoLutheran

Perhaps you do not have the new birth. A non Christian remains in their fallen nature. A Christian with the new birth has God on their inside. If that is not superior, then nothing is superior. But, in truth, it is.

 

[TheBarrd]

Perhaps you do not have the new birth. A non Christian remains in their fallen nature. A Christian with the new birth has God on their inside. If that is not superior, then nothing is superior. But, in truth, it is.

It is God Who is Superior.
Do not take credit where it is not due...

 

[AlexDTX]

It is God Who is Superior.
Do not take credit where it is not due...

What are we comparing? God to people? Of course God is superior. Christians to non-Christians? Christians are superior because of God within them. I would also add, no one comes to the light unless they love the light. The light is the Truth and the Truth is God. People with a love of the Truth are superior to people who love their lies.

 

[TheBarrd]

What are we comparing? God to people? Of course God is superior. Christians to non-Christians? Christians are superior because of God within them. I would also add, no one comes to the light unless they love the light. The light is the Truth and the Truth is God. People with a love of the Truth are superior to people who love their lies.

No.
We are sinners, every mother's child of us. If we were not, we would not need a savior, would we?
There are some folks out there who simply have not seen the light...perhaps because the ones responsible for it are hiding it under a bushel?
Arrogance tends to make one hoard the light to themselves.
Not only that, it is not attractive behavior in a Child of God...one who is supposed to be humble.
Remember the parable of the publican and the sinner?
Which one went down justified before the Lord?
.

 

[JustHisKid]

What are we comparing? God to people? Of course God is superior. Christians to non-Christians? Christians are superior because of God within them.

Superior in what way? We are sinners, just like everyone else.

I would also add, no one comes to the light unless they love the light.

What? Nobody comes to Jesus unless God draws him. In our flesh, we all only love sin.

The light is the Truth and the Truth is God. People with a love of the Truth are superior to people who love their lies.

Again, how are they superior?

 

[aiki]

if you think they are immoral, what is the solution for atheists and muslims?"
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-"Convert to Christianity."

Christians are morally superior to non-Christians. In what other ways are Christians superior to non-Christians?

Some think they are. Not all. Why do you care? Do you think you are morally superior to a rapist, or murderer, or drug pusher? If you do, don't you think they might object to your moral superiority?

The Christian's grounding for their morality is certainly superior to that of atheists. And, being a Christian, I believe the Christian worldview is superior to that of the atheist or Muslim. If I didn't, I wouldn't be a Christian, would I?

Again, though, why do you care?

Selah.

 

[Cearbhall]

I think many people believe they are Christians but are mistaken.

By your personal definition.