Won't get out until you paid the last penny

[Winken]

Jesus made a similar statement concerning this punishment.

Concerning blasphemy of the Holy Spirit...

They will not be forgiven, in this age or in the age to come.

These seems to convey the idea that other sins, though punishable in this age, may be forgiven in the age to come.

Sin(s) was forgiven at the Cross. Blasphemy is the denial of Jesus as Messiah and as Savior.

Likewise the comment;

... Not get out until the last penny is paid, "seems" to convey that a person may be released after serving out their punishment... Maybe.

Other scriptures such as Matthew 25:46 says everlasting punishment.

These are in no wise applicable to salvation by Grace through Faith.

 

[dabro]

Ya I think your right maybe but to me you adversary you claim is Satan. It is not a adversary He's talking about to me it always seemed like a parable. Maybe I'm wrong.but what about the ten talents. The one who does nothing to further the kingdom is set aside with the non believers. So that means someone can forfeit their salvation due to rather living in sin than growing and investing his talent so that he has some crown to lay at Jesus's feet when he passes away.

 

[dabro]

Where did my post go.???

 

[Winken]

....but what about the ten talents. The one who does nothing to further the kingdom is set aside with the non believers. So that means someone can forfeit their salvation due to rather living in sin than growing and investing his talent so that he has some crown to lay at Jesus's feet when he passes away.

The "Ten Talents" passage is a teaching to the Israelites (Jews), not Christians today. The "kingdom" referenced is the Millennial Kingdom, with Jesus on the Throne of David, ruling from Jerusalem. That comes after the Rapture, after the Tribulation, after Armageddon.

 

[Sketcher]

Jesus used a euphemism. I don't see how it can seriously be taken to imply that the debt could ever be paid, also see Matthew 18:23-35 (especially v.24-25).

 

[pescador]

it is representative of the fact that we are unable to pay ANY of our debt, and that Jesus PAID ALL of our debt FOR us. Those who reject this inexplicable grace, are on their own and they are without hope, for they themselves can NEVER pay the debt they owe, and they have rejected the One Who can/has.

I agree totally with this post.

 

[JLB777]

Blasphemy is the denial of Jesus as Messiah and as Savior.

So you think that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, is denying Jesus Christ as Savior.

Blasphemy is a derogatory verbal slur, such as calling the Holy Spirit, the devil.

One need not open their mouth to deny Jesus.


JLB

 

[Winken]

The Holy Spirit introduces us to our Savior. To deny Him is blasphemy. That is denying the path to eternal salvation. Jesus is the Savior.

 

[JLB777]

The Holy Spirit introduces us to our Savior. To deny Him is blasphemy. That is denying the path to eternal salvation. Jesus is the Savior.

Again, That is what someone taught you.

That is not Blasphemy of the Spirit.

The crystal clear irrefutable context is Jesus warning the Pharisee's against blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, since they had just called the Holy Spirit "Beelzebub", the ruler of demons.

That is what Blasphemy is:

Blasphemy - Strong's Number: 988 - Blasphemia

Definition

1. slander, detraction, speech injurious, to another's good name
2. impious and reproachful speech injurious to divine majesty

King James Word Usage - Total: 19 blasphemy 16, railing 2, evil speaking 1


Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, "This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons."

Jesus goes on to teach that Blasphemy against Himself would be forgiven.


31 "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come. Matthew 12:31-32

Blasphemy is speaking against...

Denying Jesus does not require that a person open their mouth.



JLB

 

[Winken]

Definition

1. slander, detraction, speech injurious, to another's good name
2. impious and reproachful speech injurious to divine majesty

Denying Jesus does not require that a person open their mouth.

That's man's definition. It isn't biblical. One does not deny Jesus
based upon secular definitions.

Right: A person is not required to open his or her mouth to deny Jesus.

To deny Him is eternal doom.

One who denies the witness of the Holy Spirit has committed blasphemy.
That is Spiritual denial. One denies the very existence of God, Father,
Son, Holy Spirit. Words can't even come close to doing that.

 

[Sketcher]

That's man's definition. It isn't biblical. One does not deny Jesus
based upon secular definitions.

Right: A person is not required to open his or her mouth to deny Jesus.

To deny Him is eternal doom.

One who denies the witness of the Holy Spirit has committed blasphemy.
That is Spiritual denial. One denies the very existence of God, Father,
Son, Holy Spirit. Words can't even come close to doing that.

That's the definition of the word in Strong's Exhaustive Concordance. Do you dismiss all definitions in concordances as man's definition? If so, how can you know anything the Bible says, since it needed to be translated into English? If not, why pick on this one word?

 

[JLB777]

That's man's definition. It isn't biblical. One does not deny Jesus
based upon secular definitio

That's not a secular definition, that is what the word Blasphemy means from the Greek text in the scriptures.

That definition comes from the Greek Lexicon of biblical meanings.

Jesus even uses the phrase
"speaks against" in The scripture text.

What you have is mans definition that does not appear in the scripture context of Matthew 12.


JLB

 

[Xalith]

Matt. 5 and what is being talked about…..He is talking about earthly living with your adversary…not sure how going to hell got interpreted into this scripture.

23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.


Its more about making peace and restoration with a adversary before it gets out of hand, wisdom.

I think this is exactly what He is saying.

We should live our lives trying as best we can to not harbor any anger towards our brothers, and not allowing any brother to harbor anger against us, to make sure that things don't get out of hand that we would end up in prison.

If we should go to prison because of such anger that could have been resolved but we chose not to (usually because of Pride, thinking we were right, etc), then we won't get out of prison until we paid the debt in full, because He will not help us get out early because our Pride led us there.

RE: "It's a parable". Every other time in the Bible He spoke a parable, it was clearly stated as being a parable. There's no such distinction on this particular teaching, therefore it is my understanding we are to take it literally.

 

[Kevin Connolly]

Read it in context, Jesus was setting a standard that no man could reach, one that only He would reach, He was saying come to me all you who are tired of trying to establish the law and i will establish it for you. He understood only the tired the weak the poor the broken would accept a Savior...He was letting them see they could not do it, those who do not see themselves as sick or broken have no need of a physician. He was saying there is noway but threw me, your rest is found in me, let me do it for you and thank me for what i have and am doing for you.
Only the broken will see God for there's is the kingdom of God. To them who clothe themselves with Christ.

He set the bar the standard as high as He could to show man can never reach it. Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

[dabro]

Cause I'm raising the bar, I'm to busy gazing at stars I feel incredible. IDK why I said that so please just ignore this. LOL

 

[Kevin Connolly]

Cause I'm raising the bar, I'm to busy gazing at stars I feel incredible. IDK why I said that so please just ignore this. LOL

Sure thing Eminem
Yes Jesus and Eminem are just alike.

 

[Free at Calvary]

It doesn't matter if Jesus was speaking to Jews, if you are called by God, all of it applies to you.

I think agreeing with your adversary pertains to someone who says you have trespassed against them, and demanding to be recompenced. It's better to agree than go before the judge and it's discovered your hands are not clean.

 

[Kevin Connolly]

It doesn't matter if Jesus was speaking to Jews, if you are called by God, all of it applies to you.

I think agreeing with your adversary pertains to someone who says you have trespassed against them, and demanding to be recompenced. It's better to agree than go before the judge and it's discovered your hands are not clean.

If it applies to everyone then i sure hope your perfect.... Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

[Kevin Connolly]

There is one way for the unclean to be clean and God does not speak to the clean as tho they are unclean....to do so would put His sons work to disgrace.

 

[dabro]

Jesus came to divide. Those that are His and those who are not.........All it's saying is make good to the one you owe before he takes you to court.........Jesus came with His Authority and Awesome Wisdom. To just teach us how to live on Earth before we pass away, cause we little ol us will not die but live forever..........I have reconsidered that this is just trying to teach others to LOVE. And Jesus was and Is full of LOVE>