Won't get out until you paid the last penny

[dabro]

I don't get this parable. I know Jesus is telling the person who owes Him his life before He takes Him before The Judge(God) and then the Judge hand him over to the person or Angel and will throw him in jail(Hell) until he has paid the last penny......So you're saying that if I'm in Hell I am paying my debt and until the last penny if paid I will have to stay in there but once it is paid I will get out?




Either that means that we don't stay in Hell forever or we are torched to the point we don't exist anymore and that is what Jesus means by paying the last penny. I'm confused about this parable and always have been.

 

[dabro]

Anyone?

 

[brinny]

it is representative of the fact that we are unable to pay ANY of our debt, and that Jesus PAID ALL of our debt FOR us. Those who reject this inexplicable grace, are on their own and they are without hope, for they themselves can NEVER pay the debt they owe, and they have rejected the One Who can/has.

 

[joshuanazar]

Imagine prison as a work camp where we get to pay off what we owe to our debtors by facing the punishment. Hell is exactly like that. Once we repay our debt, we can leave hell. But brinny is right, we can never repay the debt that we owe to God because that dept is infinite. So we will never be able to escape hell, even by fading into nonexistence (never going to happen), we will always be in torment. Thankfully Jesus paid this debt so we don't have to worry about it.

 

[Rhamiel]

Imagine prison as a work camp where we get to pay off what we owe to our debtors by facing the punishment. Hell is exactly like that. Once we repay our debt, we can leave hell. But brinny is right, we can never repay the debt that we owe to God because that dept is infinite. So we will never be able to escape hell, even by fading into nonexistence (never going to happen), we will always be in torment. Thankfully Jesus paid this debt so we don't have to worry about it.

it seems like an odd analogy
"you will not get out until the last penny is paid"
that said with nothing else, makes it seem like it is possible to pay off what is required
the verses used do not directly state that we are incapable of paying the debt

ofcourse I am not saying that we can work our way to salvation
I am just pointing out that some of these interpretations do not really make sense in the context of the verses provided

 

[joshuanazar]

it seems like an odd analogy
"you will not get out until the last penny is paid"
that said with nothing else, makes it seem like it is possible to pay off what is required
the verses used do not directly state that we are incapable of paying the debt

ofcourse I am not saying that we can work our way to salvation
I am just pointing out that some of these interpretations do not really make sense in the context of the verses provided

Maybe it needs to be looked at by the context of the times? Maybe it was given that the jews knew that they couldn't pay this debt since they had to constantly sacrifice animals. Maybe.

 

[Rhamiel]

I can not debate or teach here
but there is an interpretation of this in Catholic theology that makes sense

 

[dabro]

PM me to tell me what Catholics think.

I can not debate or teach here
but there is an interpretation of this in Catholic theology that makes sense

 

[ToBeLoved]

Can someone list the verses we are discussing?

 

[dabro]

Matthew 5:26.

 

[joshuanazar]

I can not debate or teach here
but there is an interpretation of this in Catholic theology that makes sense

I do not want to debate either, but I do know that there are other ways to take these parables. Please pm me also with your interpretation.

 

[brinny]

it is representative of the fact that we are unable to pay ANY of our debt, and that Jesus PAID ALL of our debt FOR us. Those who reject this inexplicable grace, are on their own and they are without hope, for they themselves can NEVER pay the debt they owe, and they have rejected the One Who can/has.

Imagine prison as a work camp where we get to pay off what we owe to our debtors by facing the punishment. Hell is exactly like that. Once we repay our debt, we can leave hell. But brinny is right, we can never repay the debt that we owe to God because that dept is infinite. So we will never be able to escape hell, even by fading into nonexistence (never going to happen), we will always be in torment. Thankfully Jesus paid this debt so we don't have to worry about it.

it seems like an odd analogy
"you will not get out until the last penny is paid"
that said with nothing else, makes it seem like it is possible to pay off what is required
the verses used do not directly state that we are incapable of paying the debt

ofcourse I am not saying that we can work our way to salvation
I am just pointing out that some of these interpretations do not really make sense in the context of the verses provided

We can NEVER EVER do what only Christ was able to do, brother. What is indicated with needing a Savior, is that it would be a hopeless endeavor to attempt to, for it required a sinless and perfect Sacrifice, which none of us can ever hope to be, for it is written that none are righteous, no not one.

Thank you kindly.

 

[JLB777]

I don't get this parable. I know Jesus is telling the person who owes Him his life before He takes Him before The Judge(God) and then the Judge hand him over to the person or Angel and will throw him in jail(Hell) until he has paid the last penny......So you're saying that if I'm in Hell I am paying my debt and until the last penny if paid I will have to stay in there but once it is paid I will get out?




Either that means that we don't stay in Hell forever or we are torched to the point we don't exist anymore and that is what Jesus means by paying the last penny. I'm confused about this parable and always have been.

Jesus made a similar statement concerning this punishment.

Concerning blasphemy of the Holy Spirit...

They will not be forgiven, in this age or in the age to come.

These seems to convey the idea that other sins, though punishable in this age, may be forgiven in the age to come.

Likewise the comment;

... Not get out until the last penny is paid, "seems" to convey that a person may be released after serving out their punishment... Maybe.

Other scriptures such as Matthew 25:46 says everlasting punishment.


JLB

 

[Rhamiel]

I agree very much with what JLB said
I especially like his reference to what Jesus said about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit

 

[dabro]

Maybe He was just trying to put a parable together that His disciples could understand......

 

[dragongunner]

Matt. 5 and what is being talked about…..He is talking about earthly living with your adversary…not sure how going to hell got interpreted into this scripture.

23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.


Its more about making peace and restoration with a adversary before it gets out of hand, wisdom.

 

[dabro]

There is a layer underneath every parable Jesus speaks of. You are taking it literally when there is something more treasurable underneath the parable. Like the ten talents. If I use my ten talent making more disciples and bearing much fruit for God then I receive ten more in heaven. But He scorned the one that didn't even gain any talents for himself meaning growth and set him aside with the non believers.

 

[dabro]

Anyone?

 

[dragongunner]

There is a layer underneath every parable Jesus speaks of. You are taking it literally when there is something more treasurable underneath the parable. Like the ten talents. If I use my ten talent making more disciples and bearing much fruit for God then I receive ten more in heaven. But He scorned the one that didn't even gain any talents for himself meaning growth and set him aside with the non believers.

This isn't a parable though. According to your thought then, we should make appeasement to the Satan (adversary)…..so that Satan doesn't take us to God and God cast us until hell for not making things right with Satan (adversary). Not buying that, what this is, is a teaching as I said before. Your talent is indeed a parable.

 

[Winken]

Matthew was written to a Jewish audience. They were given an example based upon the Talmud. Jesus is speaking to the Apostles about the wandering Jews, their attitudes and behavior before and after His arrival. It is not analagous to Christians today. Jesus also said, "Be ye kind, one to another." That is obviously something we Christians should do, but it is not an imperative in order to gain or sustain salvation.