How many dozens of Christians did creationism drive away this past hour?

[Papias]

That's completely illogical. Since the majority of Christians belong to churches that believe in Evolution, the idea that such people--even if there were very many--would feel that Christianity was on the wrong side does not even make sense.

Sure it does. It makes clear sense as explained in post #152, above. Just because you don't happen to like it doesn't make it any less likely.

And then there's the unfounded and false suggestion that these denominations are losing members BECAUSE of anything related to this issue here. It's well known that their decline owes to OTHER reasons.

Wow, you make unfounded assertions so easily! Evidence that Christians are leaving Christianity due to creationism has already been given, from more than one source, on this thread. We have both the Barna data as well as personal testimony of people like Libby. Sure, other reasons might be import as well, but you have no basis to deny the evidence shown here that creationism is also a cause.

Hmmm..... Am I seeing a pattern of denying evidence here? You wouldn't happen to be a creationist would you?

In Christ-

Papias

 

[bhsmte]

Answer the point about them feeling that they then need to renounce Christianity. All they'd need to do is walk across the street and join another denomination that fits the doctrinal profile that they prefer. The whole thesis does not ring true.

I understand, you don't like the reasons people give themselves, so you discount it out of hand.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I'm far more familiar with psychopathy than you. It's generally not a great idea to ask them about their own motivations. Bundy contradicted himself numerous times about why he did what he did. I assure you, evolution had nothing to do with it. Drop that particular strawman.

How did you determine you were more familiar with psychopathy than I? I imagine someone that is capable of the evil things that he did would have a pretty unstable and muddled mind. I would also not be surprised that all those things that he cites as motivations in some way did motivate him.

 

[SkyWriting]

Not all Christians are trinitarians, nor do all trinitarians interpret Jesus and God as one in the same.

Even if they did all do that......how would that simplify what each person really thinks about the "trinity" situation?

I've been in a room full of trinitarians and the only consistent message was the
paster....and only when he was reading.

 

[Loudmouth]

She says nothing of knowing God existed. She says relationship as if it were just a way of life, not a personal contact with God. I would have to ask her to define what she meant by her "relationship".

She said that she had a relationship with God. Period. If she was still a christian, you wouldn't even question it. You are assuming that if someone has had the same experiences you have had that they wouldn't leave christianity. I think this assumption is false.

 

[Loudmouth]

The fundamental belief is that God created and sustains the universe seen AND unseen.
I once did a sermon on creation and had the congregation vote on Theistic Evolution or Creationism and found it they split 50-50.

This is a how did God do it issue not an article of faith.

Having said that the Liberals are wrong on this one.

What are they wrong about?

 

[Oncedeceived]

The trinity was not accepted into Christianity until the 4th century. There is nothing in any scripture about Jesus that was written by anyone who was alive when he was, not to mention the possibility of numerous context errors.

Understanding was suppose to increase with time. It did. Where do you stand on Christ then? I am rather confused at this point.

 

[SkyWriting]

Do you believe that Christ is the son of God and died on the cross for our sins?

Was it a "cross" or a post....or a tree?

 

[Oncedeceived]

She said that she had a relationship with God. Period. If she was still a christian, you wouldn't even question it. You are assuming that if someone has had the same experiences you have had that they wouldn't leave christianity. I think this assumption is false.

If she was still a Christian I probably wouldn't know about her. I am assuming that if they knew God, knew He existed, they wouldn't then believe He didn't.

 

[Loudmouth]

If we knew the date you could but we don't.

Then it seems like a rather empty prophecy.

 

[Loudmouth]

YEC was not specified. It said Creationism not YEC.

It applies to OEC as well.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Was it a "cross" or a post....or a tree?

Were posts made from anything else but a tree then? What configuration was that post from a tree made in?

 

[bhsmte]

She said that she had a relationship with God. Period. If she was still a christian, you wouldn't even question it. You are assuming that if someone has had the same experiences you have had that they wouldn't leave christianity. I think this assumption is false.

What gets me, is those who can't understand, a person can really believe something exists or even feel they have a relationship with this deity and then after further experiences and acquiring knowledge, can come to understand they were wrong.

I know it is difficult for them to accept, because it takes away the whole; you were never really a true Christian thing.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Then it seems like a rather empty prophecy.

It won't be when it does happen.

 

[Loudmouth]

If she was still a Christian I probably wouldn't know about her. I am assuming that if they knew God, knew He existed, they wouldn't then believe He didn't.

Why not?

At one time in my life, I absolutely knew that Santa Claus existed. I even thought I saw him late at night a few times. I don't believe in Santa Claus anymore. Why can't the same thing happen with beliefs towards God?

 

[crjmurray]

How did you determine you were more familiar with psychopathy than I? I imagine someone that is capable of the evil things that he did would have a pretty unstable and muddled mind. I would also not be surprised that all those things that he cites as motivations in some way did motivate him.

By comparing my own experience against your statements. The same way I determine that most creationists try to speak about topics they have no real familiarity with. People who make over confident and incorrect statements often have little to no experience in the subject they're discussing.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

 

[Loudmouth]

It won't be when it does happen.

So keep making the same prophecy over and over and hope it comes true, but most importantly just ignore all of the times it didn't come true?

 

[bhsmte]

Why not?

At one time in my life, I absolutely knew that Santa Claus existed. I even thought I saw him late at night a few times. I don't believe in Santa Claus anymore. Why can't the same thing happen with beliefs towards God?

It's simply not allowed.

 

[Merlin]

Was it a "cross" or a post....or a tree?

that depends on how you translate into english the original word.
often more then one word may be used in translation from a foreign language.

 

[Oncedeceived]

What gets me, is those who can't understand, a person can really believe something exists or even feel they have a relationship with this deity and then after further experiences and acquiring knowledge, can come to understand they were wrong.

I know it is difficult for them to accept, because it takes away the whole; you were never really a true Christian thing.

There you go, belief. There was a time I believed that God might exist. We can believe things that we later feel were wrong. God is something that once you know He exists you are not going to un-know it. Either you have knowledge of God's existence or you don't, it isn't a gray area.