How many dozens of Christians did creationism drive away this past hour?

[Oncedeceived]

And when Jesus doesn't come, will we be able to say that the Bible is false?

If we knew the date you could but we don't.

 

[SkyWriting]

Then explain, "Father, why have you forsaken me"
Then explain, "This is my Son..."
Then explain, "Jesus sits at the right hand of God"
Etc.......

Again, Jesus was complex.

 

[crjmurray]

I imagine that was true of his motivations as well. However, it is not a mined quote. It was a letter to one of his victims. In case you weren't aware of it here it is:

“Then I learned that all moral judgments are ‘value judgments,’ that all value judgments are subjective [it just depends on how you think about them], and that none can be proved to be either ‘right’ or ‘wrong’…I discovered that to become truly free, truly unfettered, I had to become truly uninhibited. And I quickly discovered that the greatest obstacle to my freedom, the greatest block and limitation to it, consists in the insupportable “value judgment that I was bound to respect the rights of others. I asked myself, who were these ‘others?’ Other human beings with human rights? Why is it more wrong to kill a human animal than any other animal, a pig or a sheep or a steer? Is your life more to you than a hog’s life to a hog? Why should I be willing to sacrifice my pleasure more for the one than for the other? Surely, you would not, in this age of scientific enlightenment, declare that God or nature has marked some pleasures as ‘moral’ or ‘good’ and others as ‘immoral’ or ‘bad’? In any case, let me assure you, my dear young lady, that there is absolutely no comparison between the pleasure I might take in eating ham and the pleasure I anticipate in raping and murdering you. That is the honest conclusion to which my education has led me – after the most conscientious examination of my spontaneous and uninhibited self.” (Christian Research Journal, Vol 33, No 2, 2010, 32)

I'm far more familiar with psychopathy than you. It's generally not a great idea to ask them about their own motivations. Bundy contradicted himself numerous times about why he did what he did. I assure you, evolution had nothing to do with it. Drop that particular strawman.

 

[bhsmte]

What a fabulous, if unfounded, theory.



That's completely illogical. Since the majority of Christians belong to churches that believe in Evolution, the idea that such people--even if there were very many--would feel that Christianity was on the wrong side does not even make sense.

Not illogical at all.

The churches that don't deny evolution, still have members who are biblical creationists and they tend to be very loud. Catholics embrace science and evolution, you don't think there are Catholics who yell and scream that biblical creationism is true?

Those fundies, have no problem telling those who disagree with them in their own church, how wrong they are to agree with evolution and how they are being led by evil and they are not true Christians. If anything, this site is a good example of fundies being more than willing to do the same.

https://www.barna.org/teens-next-gen-articles/528-six-reasons-young-christians-leave-church

 

[Albion]

You are then in a position, to tell someone else the reasons they give are not valid and it must be something else? Wow, you must have ESPN.

I sincerely hope that you thought you were making a joke there. Sure, I watch sports.

Anyway, yes, there are many reasons why the mainline denominations are weakening, and young people being offended by Creationism isn't one of them--especially since those denominations aren't Creationist. THINK!

 

[bhsmte]

I sincerely hope that you thought you were making a joke there. Sure, I watch sports.

Anyway, yes, there are many reasons why the mainline denominations are weakening, and young people being offended by Creationism isn't one of them--especially since those denominations aren't Creationist. THINK!

Speaking of thinking....................

 

[Albion]

Not illogical at all.

The churches that don't deny evolution, still have members who are biblical creationists and they tend to be very loud. Catholics embrace science and evolution, you don't think there are Catholics who yell and scream that biblical creationism is true?

Answer the point about them feeling that they then need to renounce Christianity. All they'd need to do is walk across the street and join another denomination that fits the doctrinal profile that they prefer. The whole thesis does not ring true.

 

[RickG]

Again, Jesus was complex.

Not all Christians are trinitarians, nor do all trinitarians interpret Jesus and God as one in the same.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Libby Anne believed in God and reported that she had a relationship with God. That all fell apart because of the creationism she was taught as a child, and how it was dismantled when it came face to face with reality.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/04/29/why-i-am-an-atheist-libby-anne/

She says nothing of knowing God existed. She says relationship as if it were just a way of life, not a personal contact with God. I would have to ask her to define what she meant by her "relationship".

 

[Albion]

Not all Christians are trinitarians, nor do all trinitarians interpret Jesus and God as one in the same.

Well, the vast majority do, and that's the norm in Christianity, so that's your answer.

Besides, the Bible quite clearly identifies Christ as God, so it doesn't matter to the answer if individual people might not care about that or misinterpret Scripture.

 

[mindlight]

How can young earth creationism be a fundamental belief when it is not found in the Nicene Creed? The Creed says that God is the creator, but it never requires a literal Genesis or any of the other requirements that creationists put on the Bible.

The fundamental belief is that God created and sustains the universe seen AND unseen.
I once did a sermon on creation and had the congregation vote on Theistic Evolution or Creationism and found it they split 50-50.

This is a how did God do it issue not an article of faith.

Having said that the Liberals are wrong on this one.

 

[bhsmte]

Answer the point about them feeling that they then need to renounce Christianity. All they'd need to do is walk across the street and join another denomination that fits the doctrinal profile that they prefer. The whole thesis does not ring true.

You don't think people can grow distraught from supposed Christians telling them they are being led by evil and they are not true Christians and they get to a point where they leave Christianity all together?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Where in the bible did God claim to be a Christian God?

The New Testament.

 

[Albion]

You don't think people can grow distraught from supposed Christians telling them they are being led by evil and they are not true Christians and they get to a point where they leave Christianity all together?

It's rather farfetched at best, even if there might be a person here or there, maybe with emotional problems or some sense of insecurity. But this does not establish your theory--to find someone, somewhere who has an unusual and not entirely logical perspective and then proclaim that this is typical of anything.

 

[RickG]

Well, the vast majority do, and that's the norm in Christianity, so that's your answer.

The trinity was not accepted into Christianity until the 4th century. There is nothing in any scripture about Jesus that was written by anyone who was alive when he was, not to mention the possibility of numerous context errors.

 

[dad]

I am not a theistic evolutionist but I interpret Genesis 2 as the spiritual first man and woman.

Gen two is talking about what was already done and finished. That means it is the same man and woman as chapter one.

I believe that when Cain was sent out that he married from the non-spiritual humans that were an evolved species.

What's wrong with him doing what was normal in that day, marrying sisters and cousins? There is no support for some strange creatures that 'evolved' and which God allowed man to 'marry'. Man was commanded to bring forth fruit after his KIND! Man could not do so with any other kind.

Some of the church feel he married a sister but that does not go with Scripture.

Yes it does. Look at two rabbits, and let's do the math. They have to interbreed or there could never be a lot of rabbits. The incest law was many many centuries later. Not even in Noah's day was it forbidden if I recall.

Adam and Eve conceived Cain and Abel but no mention is made of any other siblings

There could have been scores of chicks born, sisters never made it into the record of genealogy! Heck why not have one be a wife for Cain, and stand by her man when he ran into trouble?

and Cain feared being sent out among them and thought he would be killed.

Exactly. So what better fits the bill here, near monkeys that evolved, or wreathes of sisters or female cousins etc that simply never made an honorable mentch in the official genealogy?

That is how I see it anyway.

Right, so I thought I'd add my opinion.

 

[RickG]

The New Testament.

Scripture citation?

 

[Albion]

The trinity was not accepted into Christianity until the 4th century.

We are talking about what the Bible says about the divinity of Christ, aren't we? That's what you asked about.

 

[dad]

And by the way, the fact that Christianity has been declining in most advanced countries for decades and mostly growing only in third world countries, is not my stance, it is what the date shows.

A great falling away. Par for the course.

 

[Oncedeceived]

dad had previously made a comment concerning the bible, and I told him that I worship God, not the bible. I have a very non-literal view of the bible as there are few if any actual contemporary writers of scripture in it.

Do you believe that Christ is the son of God and died on the cross for our sins?