This seems to sum things up in the Protestant/Catholic debate...

[Root of Jesse]

So the pope and your bishops are clearly better than all other men who can be fallible.. I mean, that's simply common sense isn't it.. that being infallible is better than being fallible?

Common sense....isn't. Common. Especially in the quoted post.

 

[Souldier]

oooooohhhhh, you're so cute! and humble, too. Meanwhile Christ came to serve, not to be served, and the Catholic Church is exactly the same way, serving all, regardless of faith.

I never argue about which denomination is first. The Church is first, denominations are anti-Biblical. John 17.

Service is more that works of charity, its how we treat others. We are supposed to be all one mind, and we are supposed to consider others as better than our self too. WE are taught to love others as our self. too. We are supposed to be gentile, lowly, meek, kind. I have a hard time putting those things on in GT. So no, im not humble. Maybe theology does have some use, but it also seems to cause us to stumble. Like Paul said, we all have knowledge, knowledge puffs up but love edifies.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Why is it important to members of the RCC that the pope can't be wrong in faith and morals?

Does that somehow have an impact on your salvation or something like that?

Jesus promised the Apostles that he would send the Holy Spirit to guide them in ALL TRUTH. The Apostles, after Judas committed suicide, named his successor, who had the same gifts the other apostles did. Paul, also an ordained apostle, who had Peter's hands laid on him when he was ordained, also named and ordained other heads of churches on his journeys.
It's not that the man is infallible, the pope. It's that God-the Holy Spirit- is never wrong, and the Pope has the gift bestowed on him of having ALL TRUTH about what is within his authority-faith and morals.
It is important to have faith that God will never fail you, and has men on Earth commissioned to participate in your salvation.

 

[ThatTrueLight]

Common sense....isn't. Common. Especially in the quoted post.

Or some men simply can't admit to the obvious.

What's better.. being fallible or infallible?

Duh...

Anyway... here's a clue for ya.. the men in your assembly are not infallible, they're just like any other man.

Although if you'd like to glory in your church, then so be it.. that simply shows where your heart is..

Most Christians know that the Holy Spirit glorifies God's Son... not the church.

 

[Souldier]

Mathew 24:45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

1 Thessalonians 5:1 Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5 You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6 So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8 But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. 9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10 He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. 11 Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.

 

[ThatTrueLight]

Jesus promised the Apostles that he would send the Holy Spirit to guide them in ALL TRUTH. The Apostles, after Judas committed suicide, named his successor, who had the same gifts the other apostles did. Paul, also an ordained apostle, who had Peter's hands laid on him when he was ordained, also named and ordained other heads of churches on his journeys.
It's not that the man is infallible, the pope. It's that God-the Holy Spirit- is never wrong, and the Pope has the gift bestowed on him of having ALL TRUTH about what is within his authority-faith and morals.
It is important to have faith that God will never fail you, and has men on Earth commissioned to participate in your salvation.

Why? It's not like your church is saving you.

And the LORD did guide the Apostles into all truth.. don't you believe the Apostles and their writings?

 

[Souldier]

Jesus promised the Apostles that he would send the Holy Spirit to guide them in ALL TRUTH. The Apostles, after Judas committed suicide, named his successor, who had the same gifts the other apostles did. Paul, also an ordained apostle, who had Peter's hands laid on him when he was ordained, also named and ordained other heads of churches on his journeys.
It's not that the man is infallible, the pope. It's that God-the Holy Spirit- is never wrong, and the Pope has the gift bestowed on him of having ALL TRUTH about what is within his authority-faith and morals.
It is important to have faith that God will never fail you, and has men on Earth commissioned to participate in your salvation.

That promise is for us too. What do you think it means that HIs sheep know His voice and follow HIm? It means that when we hear His words we will follow and learn. What do you think it means that God will put His laws in our mind and write them on our heart? It means the same. Did God say he would write his laws in hearts of only the apostles?

What did John mean when he said that we should abide in that which we were given in the beginning? And that we need no teacher?

 

[Root of Jesse]

Service is more that works of charity, its how we treat others. We are supposed to be all one mind, and we are supposed to consider others as better than our self too. We are supposed to be gentile, lowly, meek, kind. I have a hard time putting those things on in GT. So no, im not humble. Maybe theology does have some use, but it also seems to cause us to stumble. Like Paul said, we all have knowledge, knowledge puffs up but love edifies.

So, the Catholic Church teaches one body of teaching, given by Christ. One mind, imperfectly implemented by humanity, imperfectly practiced by humanity. But we believe Christ left us the perfect Church.
All true service is charity, man. I live by the acronym JOY. Jesus first, others second, yourself last. I'm not perfect at it.

This thread is just to attempt to crystalize the difference, and talk about them, instead, it's become attack the Catholic Church. This is true of most threads started by Catholics. I didn't try to say which position was better. But especially you and ThatTrueLight have done little to discuss the differences. You just bash away. I try to answer your objections, you make fun of them. Good job.

 

[ThatTrueLight]

This thread is just to attempt to crystalize the difference, and talk about them, instead, it's become attack the Catholic Church. This is true of most threads started by Catholics. I didn't try to say which position was better. But especially you and ThatTrueLight have done little to discuss the differences. You just bash away. I try to answer your objections, you make fun of them. Good job.

Who are you kidding.. starting a thread on your self proclaimed superior church and pretending that you're above the bashing..

You evidently must think everyone here is stupid.

 

[Souldier]

So, the Catholic Church teaches one body of teaching, given by Christ. One mind, imperfectly implemented by humanity, imperfectly practiced by humanity. But we believe Christ left us the perfect Church.
All true service is charity, man. I live by the acronym JOY. Jesus first, others second, yourself last. I'm not perfect at it.

This thread is just to attempt to crystalize the difference, and talk about them, instead, it's become attack the Catholic Church. This is true of most threads started by Catholics. I didn't try to say which position was better. But especially you and ThatTrueLight have done little to discuss the differences. You just bash away. I try to answer your objections, you make fun of them. Good job.

Im not bashing, im just saying that I learn from scripture but not from Catholicism. Am i not part of the body then?

 

[Root of Jesse]

That promise is for us too. What do you think it means that HIs sheep know His voice and follow HIm? It means that when we hear His words we will follow and learn. What do you think it means that God will put His laws in our mind and write them on our heart? It means the same. Did God say he would write his laws in hearts of only the apostles?

What did John mean when he said that we should abide in that which we were given in the beginning? And that we need no teacher?

You can't hear His words unless He speaks His words, when the priests, and bishops speak His words at Mass, they're in His Person.

The laws God put on our hearts are the Commandments.

Take the passage in context, brother:

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Let what you heard from the beginning remain in you. If what you heard from the beginning remains in you, then you will remain in the Son and in the Father.*
25
And this is the promise that he made us: eternal life.
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I write you these things about those who would deceive you.
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As for you, the anointing that you received from him remains in you, so that you do not need anyone to teach you. But his anointing teaches you about everything and is true and not false; just as it taught you, remain in him.

They needed a teacher, in verse 24. They were taught, and not by Christ. It says if what you were taught from the beginning remains in you, and not what those who would deceive you teach; if the anointing you received remains in you, then you need no other teacher. So remain with what you were taught.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Or some men simply can't admit to the obvious.

What's better.. being fallible or infallible?

Duh...

Anyway... here's a clue for ya.. the men in your assembly are not infallible, they're just like any other man.

Although if you'd like to glory in your church, then so be it.. that simply shows where your heart is..

Most Christians know that the Holy Spirit glorifies God's Son... not the church.

As of now, I will not respond to any more of your posts. Duh.

 

[Root of Jesse]

That promise is for us too. What do you think it means that HIs sheep know His voice and follow HIm? It means that when we hear His words we will follow and learn. What do you think it means that God will put His laws in our mind and write them on our heart? It means the same. Did God say he would write his laws in hearts of only the apostles?

What did John mean when he said that we should abide in that which we were given in the beginning? And that we need no teacher?

You cannot hear his words unless someone is speaking his words. If you read his words, you're reading, not listening. Christ never said to anyone "Write down what I'm saying to you." He said listen. And he provided the apostles, and their successors to speak in His name. The Holy Spirit guides them to speak for Him. When they speak on what is in their authority, they cannot teach falsely.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Who are you kidding.. starting a thread on your self proclaimed superior church and pretending that you're above the bashing..

You evidently must think everyone here is stupid.

At least one.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Souldier said :Im not bashing, im just saying that I learn from scripture but not from Catholicism. Am i not part of the body then?


Have you been baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit? If so, you ARE part of the body. And just like all of us, even the best Catholic, Baptist or Non-Denom, imperfectly joined.

 

[Souldier]

You cannot hear his words unless someone is speaking his words. If you read his words, you're reading, not listening. Christ never said to anyone "Write down what I'm saying to you." He said listen. And he provided the apostles, and their successors to speak in His name. The Holy Spirit guides them to speak for Him. When they speak on what is in their authority, they cannot teach falsely.

To "hear" the word means to hear with spiritual ears. This spiritual hearing can be used either by reading scripture, or by hearing it spoke by another person.

 

[ThatTrueLight]

At least one.

At least you're honest.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

You can't hear His words unless He speaks His words, when the priests, and bishops speak His words at Mass, they're in His Person.

The laws God put on our hearts are the Commandments.

Take the passage in context, brother:

24
Let what you heard from the beginning remain in you. If what you heard from the beginning remains in you, then you will remain in the Son and in the Father.*
25
And this is the promise that he made us: eternal life.
26
I write you these things about those who would deceive you.
27
As for you, the anointing that you received from him remains in you, so that you do not need anyone to teach you. But his anointing teaches you about everything and is true and not false; just as it taught you, remain in him.

They needed a teacher, in verse 24. They were taught, and not by Christ. It says if what you were taught from the beginning remains in you, and not what those who would deceive you teach; if the anointing you received remains in you, then you need no other teacher. So remain with what you were taught.

The priests and bishops speaking from the bible are the means of ears hearing only........ that's about the least profound thing I have ever heard.

 

[Root of Jesse]

To "hear" the word means to hear with spiritual ears. This spiritual hearing can be used either by reading scripture, or by hearing it spoke by another person.

That's your own interpretation for your own convenience. He told His Apostles "Who hears you, hears me." He did not say "Whatever you write they will read." Or some such.

 

[Root of Jesse]

The priests and bishops speaking from the bible are the means of ears hearing only........ that's about the least profound thing I have ever heard.

I guess you've never been to Mass and heard a priest expound on what he just read?
Once again, the peanut gallery lines up to bash...

Is anyone going to address the OP? The question was, does this about sum up the distinction between Protestant and Catholic? Nobody has really commented on that...