Why do you believe in the evolution theory? (2)

[dad]

Why would I trust evolution? It is over, for me at least, only my descendants can participate in evolution.

To claim you have animal and bug and bacteria like descendents is to trust it. You swim in the deep end of trust in it.

 

[Oafman]

Why would I trust evolution? It is over, for me at least, only my descendants can participate in evolution.

You best breeding days might be behind you Paul, but as long as your body provides a platform for other species, like the bacteria in your gut, to continue to breed and evolve, you're still part of the fun

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

The basis of trusting God rather than natural processes producing evolutionary change in the living world is still Jesus, he is the basis for what we need to know, and showed it, without coming short. Looking to him there can't be found fault with that.

There is of course the awkward matter that he didn't seem to know very much about how this whole show got started, even less about how it has continued to evolve since then.
I think whatever stuff a God-man could know, was pretty much ruined by coming here -- In his glorious state, he probably has access to the details, but we're still left pondering Christ and Science -- and I don't see that changing any day soon. Ask Pope Francis, he knows.

 

[Oafman]

The basis of trusting God rather than natural processes producing evolutionary change in the living world is still Jesus, he is the basis for what we need to know, and showed it, without coming short. Looking to him there can't be found fault with that.

One possible fault I always used to consider was that Jesus could have just briefly mentioned germs. Or the fact that many diseases are water-borne. it took us another 18 centuries of death and suffering to work that one out - he could at least have given us a clue.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

To claim you have animal and bug and bacteria like descendents is to trust it. You swim in the deep end of trust in it.

Well, my kids aren't vegetable or mineral, so that leaves them being animal

 

[FredVB]

Why would I trust evolution? It is over, for
me at least, only my descendants can participate in evolution. On the
other hand, I can at least comprehend how evolution worked to get our
species where it is today. That's not what I would call "trusting"
evolution, its merely acknowledging evolution. In fact, I resent
evolution working to make bacteria resistant to antibiotics. Jesus -
now that's something we can trust!

There is of course the awkward matter that
he didn't seem to know very much about how this whole show got started,
even less about how it has continued to evolve since then.
I think whatever stuff a God-man could know, was pretty much ruined by
coming here -- In his glorious state, he probably has access to the
details, but we're still left pondering Christ and Science -- and I
don't see that changing any day soon.

One possible fault I always used to consider was that
Jesus could have just briefly mentioned germs. Or the fact that many
diseases are water-borne. it took us another 18 centuries of death and
suffering to work that one out - he could at least have given us a
clue.

For those of us really trusting Jesus, trusting what he says tells us
he knows all about such things. It would only be an assumption that he
didn't from those things assumed to happen promoted by those who assume
no involvement from God who they would not acknowledge to be and would
give no weight to what is revealed through Jesus. It was not essential
for him to say such things to those who would listen that were not at
all ready to accept those things as knowledge of microscopic life that
couldn't be seen. Yet they were right about spirits being involved,
which is dismissed among many now. Every bit of the suffering from
disease since then was not all necessary, though there is perspective
of what were the causes now with germ theory involved, those in a lot
of such times coming with introspection to thinking of the wrongs they
would have been doing were right in that. They didn't in fact see
thoroughly how wrong they lived, as obedience to Yahweh God calls for
more. The old testament of the Bible may get dismissed as backward in
communication here, but in fact if there was submission to the law in
the Torah, there would be such cleanliness to avoid much of the
sicknesses that have spread, that law was indeed way ahead of its time
in dealing with what would eventually be dealt with from understanding
germ theory. Even continually having meat is not called for in God's
design revealed in the scriptures, and there would be more healthiness
generally among people giving it up with a well-rounded diet excluding
that.

Well, my kids aren't vegetable or mineral, so
that leaves them being animal

What there is that isn't mineral or vegetable could also still be
bacteria or fungi.

 

[dad]

Well, my kids aren't vegetable or mineral, so that leaves them being animal

No. It leaves them being souls with the power to chose Jesus and eternal life regardless of what their parents may like.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

No. It leaves them being souls with the power to chose Jesus and eternal life regardless of what their parents may like.

I'm happy to report that all my children are serving the Lord actively in their respective churches, as are their parents. You deniers of God's Word revealed in the stars, the rocks, and the genomes need to stop making the assumption that accepting evolution is only done by atheists.

 

[Loudmouth]

I'm happy to report that all my children are serving the Lord actively in their respective churches, as are their parents. You deniers of God's Word revealed in the stars, the rocks, and the genomes need to stop making the assumption that accepting evolution is only done by atheists.

I think it would be fairly easy to make the argument that the majority of people who accept evolution are theists, not atheists.

 

[Loudmouth]

To claim you have animal and bug and bacteria like descendents is to trust it. You swim in the deep end of trust in it.

You sound as foolish as Cardinal Bellarmine.

"First, . . . to want to affirm that in reality the sun is at the center of the world and only turns on itself without moving from east to west, and the earth . . . revolves with great speed about the sun . . . is a very dangerous thing, likely not only to irritate all scholastic philosophers and theologians, but also to harm the Holy Faith by rendering Holy Scripture false."--Cardinal Bellarmine, 1615

 

[FredVB]

For those of us really trusting Jesus, trusting what he says tells us he knows all about such things. It would only be an assumption that he didn't from those things assumed to happen promoted by those who assume no involvement from God who they would not acknowledge to be and would give no weight to what is revealed through Jesus. It was not essential for him to say such things to those who would listen that were not at all ready to accept those things as knowledge of microscopic life that couldn't be seen. Yet they were right about spirits being involved, which is dismissed among many now. Every bit of the suffering from disease since then was not all necessary, though there is perspective of what were the causes now with germ theory involved, those in a lot of such times coming with introspection to thinking of the wrongs they would have been doing were right in that. They didn't in fact see thoroughly how wrong they lived, as obedience to Yahweh God calls for more. The old testament of the Bible may get dismissed as backward in communication here, but in fact if there was submission to the law in the Torah, there would be such cleanliness to avoid much of the sicknesses that have spread, that law was indeed way ahead of its time in dealing with what would eventually be dealt with from understanding germ theory. Even continually having meat is not called for in God's design revealed in the scriptures, and there would be more healthiness generally among people giving it up with a well-rounded diet excluding that.

Even if it were true that more people accepting evolution are theists than not, though I don't know where there will be any information supporting that conclusion, that is with assumption that such happened from promotion of it by those who assume no involvement from God who they would not acknowledge to be, with needing to see natural processes being adequate for that to explain it.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Even if it were true that more people accepting evolution are theists than not, though I don't know where there will be any information supporting that conclusion, that is with assumption that such happened from promotion of it by those who assume no involvement from God who they would not acknowledge to be, with needing to see natural processes being adequate for that to explain it.

Uh . . . could you please rephrase that?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

I think it would be fairly easy to make the argument that the majority of people who accept evolution are theists, not atheists.

Here's some survey results about US opinion as to whether God was involved in the evolutionary process.

Read the entire site from which this image was taken at

Public?s Views on Human Evolution | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project

 

[dad]

I'm happy to report that all my children are serving the Lord actively in their respective churches, as are their parents.

Good for you. Sounds like you tried to raise them right.

You deniers of God's Word revealed in the stars, the rocks, and the genomes need to stop making the assumption that accepting evolution is only done by atheists.

Here is one acid test for me I thought of today as to what a bible believer is. (of course the real acid test that matters is if we believe in Christ, but I am thinking more of just 'bible believers' here)--

Does a person actually believe God created a first man, Adam, and a woman from his rib?

How do you rate on my test?

 

[dad]

You sound as foolish as Cardinal Bellarmine.

"First, . . . to want to affirm that in reality the sun is at the center of the world and only turns on itself without moving from east to west, and the earth . . . revolves with great speed about the sun . . . is a very dangerous thing, likely not only to irritate all scholastic philosophers and theologians, but also to harm the Holy Faith by rendering Holy Scripture false."--Cardinal Bellarmine, 1615

Guess how it will work in the new heavens and earth? The Cardinal may have been right. It also may have been different than today in Adam's day for all I know.

What would be foolish is to claim that today the sun revolves around earth.

Hey at least the Cardinal probably didn't think we were from the same kinfolk relatives as flatworms like you do. Right? Or do you?

 

[Strathos]

Except the verse that the Cardinal used to support a geocentric solar system were written long after Adam's day... and fall within your 'present state'.

 

[dad]

Except the verse that the Cardinal used to support a geocentric solar system were written long after Adam's day... and fall within your 'present state'.

Let's see the verse and I shall try to interpret what is going on for you.

 

[morse86]

I don't believe in evolution theory, how can I when it defies logic:

1 Example below:


Can you tell reality from non-reality?

How about the SpaceX "GrassHoper" Test flight versus a video game:

Space X Test fight (2013):

Video Game from 2007 (game engine developed in 2004):

 

[justlookinla]

Here's some survey results about US opinion as to whether God was involved in the evolutionary process.

Read the entire site from which this image was taken at

Public?s Views on Human Evolution | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project

Would this suggest that most Christians reject theistic evolution and accept spontaneous creaton by God?

 

[PsychoSarah]

The basis of trusting God rather than natural processes producing evolutionary change in the living world is still Jesus, he is the basis for what we need to know, and showed it, without coming short. Looking to him there can't be found fault with that.

I question that claim; I do not recall any part of the bible suggesting that living things can change across generations.