Is Scripture MISSING Dogmas? (2)

[Souldier]

Original sin is the sin from Adam and the fall. The rcc teaches that out of all the people in the world, Mary was the only one to escape this and that God kept her from having this sin, and kept her from ever sinning, in direct contradiction to scripture.

The bible says that not one person is good, no not one. All have fallen short of Gods glory. Even Mary. I dont understand how people dont question this RCC doctrine. Why do people think RCC can fix our our denominational issues? Clearly they cant even discern the most fundamental truth of all.

 

[Souldier]

Many RCC posters seem to think they cannot learn anything on their own. They believe that they must be taught by RCC. This is perhaps why they do not ever question the most obviously flawed doctrine.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by Souldier View Post

In simple terms, what does that mean exactly? What is Original sin and why didnt mary have it? Was she supposed to be sinless, or is it something else?

Original sin is the sin from Adam and the fall. The rcc teaches that out of all the people in the world, Mary was the only one to escape this and that God kept her from having this sin, and kept her from ever sinning, in direct contradiction to scripture.

Just for clarification, that would mean that Mary was the "sinless" one then, and thus it omits Jesus the Christ as sinless, and that Mary would be the "one" to die on the cross for our sins, is that correct?

Thank you kindly.

(Note: By the way, this would be an excellent Bible study.)

 

[Souldier]

Christ really did promise to teach us. God really did promise that he would put His laws into our hearts and minds. Its not all that difficult either. All we must do is ask God and also read the words of Christ and those of Paul, and forget everything else. Its not a sin to do so. No one needs a denomination. We dont need any denomination.

 

[brinny]

Christ really did promise to teach us. God really did promise that he would put His laws into our hearts and minds. Its not all that difficult either. All we must do is ask God and also read the words of Christ and those of Paul, and forget everything else. Its not a sin to do so. No one needs a denomination. We dont need any denomination.

I get your point brother, because it is possible that the "denomination" takes precedence over the living God Himself and His only begotten Son, Who God the Father sent to die for us in order to reconcile us to Himself.

Thank you kindly for sharing brother.

(This would be an excellent study.)

 

[MoreCoffee]

Are we still discussing scripture missing dogmas?

 

[Souldier]

I get your point brother, because it is possible that the "denomination" takes precedence over the living God Himself and His only begotten Son, Who God the Father sent to die for us in order to reconcile us to Himself.

Thank you kindly for sharing brother.

(This would be an excellent study.)

Yes.

 

[Souldier]

Are we still discussing scripture missing dogmas?

I think we're discussing some of those diogmas that are not found in scripture.

 

[brinny]

In reference to the OP's question, summed up in the title of the thread, the answer is no. To say that it is, is to say that God, through His Holy Spirit, messed up, made a mistake, erred and thus is not perfect.

God declares Himself that His Word will not return to Him void, but will accomplish what He set it out to do. In addition, God describes Himself His Word and that it is powerful and living. His Holy Spirit is the "Teacher" of God's Word and is surely capable of ensuring that God's Word reaches its destination, and that is the hearts, minds, and souls of man.

God's will SURELY is exactly this. In that regard, there is nothing that will stand in the way of His Word doing His will and accomplishing it. Perhaps what is profound here, is that God, as HE states Himself, is NOT a God of confusion. He can be trusted to ensure that His Word is intact, and that there is no confusion in it, for confusion is not of Him, but the antithesis to Who He is.

Thank you kindly.

 

[topcare]

There are various canons of scripture used by various branches of Christianity. Your denomination determined its own canon at the Council of Trent. It is absurd for you to say that you use the whole Bible when there are other branches of Christianity with more books in their canon than you have in yours. They could just as easily say that they have the "whole Bible" and you don't.

Not my Church, I'm not Catholic. I am a Liturgical Christian who follows verifiable orthodox Christianity not evangelical protestantism

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Not my Church, I'm not Catholic. I am a Liturgical Christian who follows verifiable orthodox Christianity not evangelical protestantism

Hence the reference

 

[topcare]

Hence the reference

Huh?

 

[Root of Jesse]

And it is one, among many dogmas, that you denomination has added to the Bible. Would that all such dogmas were as innocuous as a ToC!

I don't think it's a dogma that's been added to the Bible. In fact, no dogmas in the Bible at all. We have examples of dogma in the Bible, but not dogmas.

It's a different thing to say that a dogma is anti-Biblical, or against Scripture, or something.

The sayings of Christ are what we use to build most dogmas.

Someone in the old thread says that there's Catholic dogma that's not Biblical. I'm waiting to see some of those...

 

[Root of Jesse]

OK, the 66 books are holy scripture, everything else is debatable. Why debate when we can spend that time searching, discussing and meditating on said scriptures?

Debatable to you, maybe. Not to Catholics. We know there's 72.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by Souldier View Post
OK, the 66 books are holy scripture, everything else is debatable. Why debate when we can spend that time searching, discussing and meditating on said scriptures?

Debatable to you, maybe. Not to Catholics. We know there's 72.

Thank you kindly for sharing your view.

 

[Root of Jesse]

I could count many steps which RC has taken that are far away from what the apostles teach us. However that would not help anyone because you have already heard it all and i see no reason to walk in the flesh. I know where my heart is and so does the Lord. Im content with Him being my judge.

It's very easy to say something and not back it up. So, either back it up, or stop saying it. What steps has the Catholic Church taken, in matters of faith and morals, that are far away from what the apostles teach us.

 

[Souldier]

It's very easy to say something and not back it up. So, either back it up, or stop saying it. What steps has the Catholic Church taken, in matters of faith and morals, that are far away from what the apostles teach us.

I think when you get a little further into the thread that you will see at least one or maybe two of those things i referred to

 

[Root of Jesse]

Sure, all four Marian dogmas.

They're all Biblically based. Your opinion is that they're not. Different matter.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Ten Basic Facts about the NT Canon that Every Christian Should Memorize: #1: ?The New Testament Books are the Earliest Christian Writings We Possess? | Canon Fodder
Ten Basic Facts about the NT Canon that Every Christian Should Memorize: #2: ?Apocryphal Writings are All Written in the Second Century or Later? | Canon Fodder
Ten Basic Facts about the NT Canon that Every Christian Should Memorize: #3: ?The New Testament Books Are Unique Because They Are Apostolic Books? | Canon Fodder
Ten Basic Facts about the NT Canon that Every Christian Should Memorize: #4: ?Some NT Writers Quote Other NT Writers as Scripture? | Canon Fodder
Ten Basic Facts about the NT Canon that Every Christian Should Memorize: #5: ?The Four Gospels are Well Established by the End of the Second Century? | Canon Fodder

Though I'm sure all of this knowledge will fall on willingly deaf ears...

Why? There's no dispute about NT canon.

 

[SpyderByte]

Just for clarification, that would mean that Mary was the "sinless" one then, and thus it omits Jesus the Christ as sinless, and that Mary would be the "one" to die on the cross for our sins, is that correct?

Thank you kindly.

(Note: By the way, this would be an excellent Bible study.)

No, Jesus was also sinless. He still died on the cross, but they believe Mary partook of His sufferings and almost died herself and is coredemptrix. (Though I don't believe that's dogma yet.)