Can we fall from grace ?

[Steeno7]

grace is not by its self going to save you! you must do the works!
Jesus said repent turn from your sin that's obey The laws

Ephesians 2:8-9

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast."

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

Ephesians 2:8-9

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast."

Amen.

 

[lori milne]

but we do sin, we cannot help sinning, even Paul said why is it so easy to do the things i shouldn't yet so hard to do the things i should. We cannot be without sin and all sin is willful but there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, we commit the crime, so to speak but we are no longer condemned for it, it has no charge against us because it has been paid for by Jesus in full. No we don't go sinning because we are saved by Grace, why would we but god has trusted us with an amazing Gift and by his Grace he trusts us to use that gift wisely not abusively but our salvation is sealed.

Wrong your cherry picking and misquoting the word
Listening only to other people and not reading the word /doing the work will stumble true understanding
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, ([bless and do not curse]Hebrews‬ [bless and do not curse]10‬:[bless and do not curse]26‬ KJV)

 

[lori milne]

Respectfully if sin with the idea you present , what is the consequence to sin biblically speaking ?

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

Wrong your cherry picking and misquoting the word
Listening only to other people and not reading the word /doing the work will stumble true understanding
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, ([bless and do not curse]Hebrews‬ [bless and do not curse]10‬:[bless and do not curse]26‬ KJV)

i'm not cherry picking at all.
that verse has been covered many times, it was spoken to a crowd that were straying from the knowledge of Grace back in to law, it actually is speaking against relying on your works.

 

[lori milne]

Well then I guess the bible has contradictions then ?

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins

, ([bless and do not curse]Hebrews‬ [bless and do not curse]10‬:[bless and do not curse]26‬ KJV)

 

[lori milne]

i'm not cherry picking at all. that verse has been covered many times, it was spoken to a crowd that were straying from the knowledge of Grace back in to law, it actually is Oops ?

 

[lori milne]

Respectfully, if we sin, what is the consequence of sin? Biblically speaking?

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

i'm not cherry picking at all. that verse has been covered many times, it was spoken to a crowd that were straying from the knowledge of Grace back in to law, it actually is Oops ?

no worries.

 

[Light hearted]

Respectfully, if we sin, what is the consequence of sin? Biblically speaking?

Since we can fall into different categories.

(1) Those by faith are covered by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

or

(2) Those who believe in self-righteousness either by becoming acquainted with the offering of the Holy Spirit and decided to put it aside, or those who have denied the Holy Spirit all together.

Which category of people are you referring to in the question above?

 

[lori milne]

Since we can fall into different categories. (1) Those by faith are covered by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. or (2) Those who believe in self-righteousness either by becoming acquainted with the offering of the Holy Spirit and decided to put it aside, or those who have denied the Holy Spirit all together. Which category of people are you referring to in the question above?

The question was to you , and your believe, I
Have asked this question to many that have your view and it's the one question that can't I can't seemed to get answered.

 

[Noblemen]

Since we can fall into different categories.

(1) Those by faith are covered by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

or

(2) Those who believe in self-righteousness either by becoming acquainted with the offering of the Holy Spirit and decided to put it aside, or those who have denied the Holy Spirit all together.

Which category of people are you referring to in the question above?[/QUOTE


Im just curious when being born-again comes into the equation

 

[Light hearted]

The question was to you , and your believe, I
Have asked this question to many that have your view and it's the one question that can't I can't seemed to get answered.

Thanks for the reply lori milne.

I see this verse from Hebrews used quite often. Often times, at least I remember when I was first saved and I had this verse put in front of me I stopped in my tracks.

Point is, I am a sinner saved my Grace, it doesn't mean I don't sin anymore, as a matter of fact, sin starts in the mind, just as Jesus says, you don't have to physically undress the woman, just the thought of such declares you a sinner.

Ok, I'm good with that, I am human after all, I have the Adam's seed within me.

Then comes Hebrews 10:26, ouch, Jesus already brought the realization of sin to the finest point, now if I sin again I am destined for Hell? Ouch, this hurts.

Here's the truth of Hebrews, reading Hebrews you will find the author is writing to Jews who are neck deep into the Law, (self-righteousness). The author is reminding them of the restrictions of the Law, and how Jesus Christ is, by faith, is far superior to the Law. You'll find 3 or 4 times,the author mentions the judgement that is going to be brought against them, then the author says...But we are not ones who turn back to the law.

Hebrews 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.

Hebrews 6:4 Some people once had God’s light. They experienced the heavenly gift and shared in the Holy Spirit. 5 They experienced the goodness of God’s word and the powers of the world to come. 6 Yet, they have deserted Christ. They are crucifying the Son of God again and publicly disgracing him. Therefore, they cannot be led a second time to God.

The two verses above show the judgement of those who go back to the Law and all it's self effort. Now knowing that Hebrews is a warning of going back, we need to look at Hebrews 10: 26 -38 the same way.

For example, Hebrews 10:26 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

After this he describes a fiery judgement, punishment ect. It really looks bad for the believer, the sinner after being saved.

Aaaaa, but as we get all the way to the end of Hebrews 10, we the believers in Jesus and Jesus alone as our sacrifice we can breath again.

Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Hebrews 10:26 is for those, even today that are welcome to the church and the body of Christ, dwell within, feel the love within, yet, never accepts Jesus as the one true sacrifice.

So the question is, is our faith strong enough to stay in faith with Jesus Christ, or are we gonna be hit by one of satans fiery darts and try to go back to self works for our salvation?

I'm staying in Faith with Jesus Christ. Going beyond Hebrews 10 you'll find the absolute pleasure God finds in those who have shown Faith and the works it produced in Hebrews 11.

 

[Light hearted]

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Im just curious when being born-again comes into the equation

This is a good question, which prompts a whole new discussion.

 

[lori milne]

So what is the consequence to sinning habitually / being a slave to sin not repenting biblically speaking? Can you tell me ware it states any, or can we just sin Hebrews is the more obvious verse I use but there is definitely a lot more then the ladder. Here's a good one I'm sure is pretty plain. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 2 Peter 2:20 For your view on the meaning of Hebrews to me it is clearly speaking of the knowledge / understanding and how you can have no sacrifice for sin, my common sense tells me. Jesus is not case sensitive. Job speaks of the same understating and how it will be what turns you from evil job 28:28 clearly giving us the ability to turn from sin, as well as 2 Peter.

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

So what is the consequence to sinning habitually / being a slave to sin not repenting biblically speaking? Can you tell me ware it states any, or can we just sin Hebrews is the more obvious verse I use but there is definitely a lot more then the ladder. Here's a good one I'm sure is pretty plain. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 2 Peter 2:20 For your view on the meaning of Hebrews to me it is clearly speaking of the knowledge / understanding and how you can have no sacrifice for sin, my common sense tells me. Jesus is not case sensitive. Job speaks of the same understating and how it will be what turns you from evil job 28:28 clearly giving us the ability to turn from sin, as well as 2 Peter.

There can be no consequence salvation wise as that is sealed, all sins past , present and future must have been paid for or none were paid for, so either God is a liar and sins still exist or he is not and they do not.
Now i do believe it can effect your walk. the jews were disobedient and walked around for years looking for the promised peace of God, so if we are obedient I believe we walk a smoother easier path.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

we were slaves to sin, everything we did God saw as sinful but now we are set free from sin and we are slaves to righteousness, God sees all we do as righteous.

 

[lori milne]

Well you sound pretty nice and normal but what you are believing is considered Calvinistic & or hyper grace teaching. The church didn't always teach this ( it's considered" new age "
Which In fact is the base for All Lucifarin believe,
If you study religious and ware they truly stem from and there main themes.

I truly am still delving into all the search for truth but I would not like your going to or not like you don't totally think I'm a crack pot lol but prey to God for biblical wisdom ?

You must not deny the word at all it's filled with
Falling away, falling from grace even, and er from the truth. Brethren are the saved! How can we er if are sins are forgiven and. Even a brethren being re converted ?? To be saved
The measure between the two believes in the bible is undesirable if you don't cherry pick it misquote

Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. ([bless and do not curse]James‬ [bless and do not curse]5‬:[bless and do not curse]19-20‬ KJV)

God bless

 

[lori milne]

20. Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul. (Ezekiel‬ 3:20-21‬ KJV) Jesus speaks of iniquity here In the NT Being a slave to sin or a habitual sinner! Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work in iniquity. ]Matthew‬ ]7‬:]21-23‬ KJV)

 

[lori milne]

But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. ([bless and do not curse]1 Timothy‬ [bless and do not curse]6‬:[bless and do not curse]9-10‬ KJV)

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

Well you sound pretty nice and normal but what you are believing is considered Calvinistic & or hyper grace teaching. The church didn't always teach this ( it's considered" new age "
Which In fact is the base for All Lucifarin believe,
If you study religious and ware they truly stem from and there main themes.

I truly am still delving into all the search for truth but I would not like your going to or not like you don't totally think I'm a crack pot lol but prey to God for biblical wisdom ?

You must not deny the word at all it's filled with
Falling away, falling from grace even, and er from the truth. Brethren are the saved! How can we er if are sins are forgiven and. Even a brethren being re converted ?? To be saved
The measure between the two believes in the bible is undesirable if you don't cherry pick it misquote

Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. ([bless and do not curse]James‬ [bless and do not curse]5‬:[bless and do not curse]19-20‬ KJV)

God bless

the church can say what they like about it, what i belive is shown by scripture as far as i am concerned.

It makes me smile when they say the blood pays for all your sins but you have to stop sinning, it makes no sense to me.