Dinosaurs

[Shemjaza]

Of course it's not convincing. You can't see the truth and won't believe it even when it's in your face.

Evolutionists have been faking, altering, hiding, dismissing, and ignoring data for years.

Evidence of faking on any reasonable scale?

Or are you just happy to bare false witness on your neighbors?

 

[Split Rock]

Of course it's not convincing. You can't see the truth and won't believe it even when it's in your face.

Evolutionists have been faking, altering, hiding, dismissing, and ignoring data for years.

Says the guy posting pictures of "man prints" that are obviously faked !

You're not really a creationist... are you?

 

[lesliedellow]

Why were dinosaurs not allowed on the Ark?

They had bad diarrhoea.

 

[Queller]

I don't think so.

I believe they claim the dinosaurs eventually died out because of the new new [polar] climatology.

Prior to the Flood, the earth was one tropical paradise due to a water canopy.

After the Flood, the sun's rays hit the earth as they do now, creating a polar climatology that the dinosaurs couldn't handle; and they eventually went extinct.*

Two dinosaurs are mentioned in the book of Job, who lived after the Flood,** one having a navel.

That should have Mr. Linnaeus turning over in his grave, eh?

* There are reports of dinosaurs still in existence today: such as the Loch Ness monster & the Thunderbird.

** Job is thought to be Jobab, mentioned in Genesis 10.

You have such a vivid imagination. Have you ever thought of writing stories for children?

 

[Davian]

...

Evolutionists have been faking, altering, hiding, dismissing, and ignoring data for years.

This, or your beliefs are false? Is this the dichotomy you live with every day?

 

[Queller]

YEC's claim that dinosaurs were lost in the flood? Really? Not this one.

Noah had them on the ark, two of each at least. Maybe even eggs, but at least young ones.

Nope, according to the Bible, each pair of animals was sexually mature.

"Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female."

That's clearly describing sexually mature animals. If it wasn't, it would say a male and a female.

They perished after the flood due to the change in atmospheric conditions. Lower O2 content and barometric pressure.

And your evidence that the earth had a higher O2 content and higher barometric pressure prior to the Flood (IOW ~4500 years ago) is what, exactly?

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Fish nostrils are not part of their breathing apparatus
- they are not connected to the fish's throat.

You are correct, and give a great example evolution, as nostrils became part of the breathing apparatus for land animals, but not for modern fish. Pretty cool eh?

 

[JacksBratt]

Nope, according to the Bible, each pair of animals was sexually mature.

"Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female."

That's clearly describing sexually mature animals. If it wasn't, it would say a male and a female.

Sorry, but this is for the "clean" animals. These would be the ones that have a spit hoof, and chew their cud.

Nice try though.

And your evidence that the earth had a higher O2 content and higher barometric pressure prior to the Flood (IOW ~4500 years ago) is what, exactly?

Please read the forum. I have given this information twice now. Go fish.

 

[JacksBratt]

This, or your beliefs are false? Is this the dichotomy you live with every day?

Let's see:

Ernest Haecke's fake and fraudulent drawings of embryos. In textbooks and taught as truth even today.
Piltdown man,
Nebraska man,
Java man,
Archaeoraptor
The Horse fraud of Huxley and Marsh,
The Peppered moth,
The famous diagram of apes successively turning into man. There are no skeletal remains to back it up
Ota Benga,
Neanderthal man of Neander Valley 1856
The Taung Child found by Raymond Dart in South Africa in 1924
Ramapithecus,
Australopithecines,
The Ardi specimen,
the Fujimura fraud,

Quite a list.

 

[Shemjaza]

Let's see:

Ernest Haecke's fake and fraudulent drawings of embryos. In textbooks and taught as truth even today.
Piltdown man,
Nebraska man,
Java man,
Archaeoraptor
The Horse fraud of Huxley and Marsh,
The Peppered moth,
The famous diagram of apes successively turning into man. There are no skeletal remains to back it up
Ota Benga,
Neanderthal man of Neander Valley 1856
The Taung Child found by Raymond Dart in South Africa in 1924
Ramapithecus,
Australopithecines,
The Ardi specimen,
the Fujimura fraud,

Quite a list.

I'm seeing two frauds perpetrated by scientists and ultimately solved by scientists, not creationists... one from a local scam artist... a couple of exaggerations from journalists who didn't check with scientists and a big pile of lies from creationists.

Haven't you seen the picture of the skulls we found? Are you going to address it?

 

[kristina411]

Nope, according to the Bible, each pair of animals was sexually mature.

"Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female."

That's clearly describing sexually mature animals. If it wasn't, it would say a male and a female.

And your evidence that the earth had a higher O2 content and higher barometric pressure prior to the Flood (IOW ~4500 years ago) is what, exactly?

Just pointing out my 9 month old daughter is female yet is not close to "mature"

Male and female is just that, male or female, determined in the womb for humans. Dinosaurs idk but it has nothing to do with sexual maturity. Just wanted to clear that up for you. When reading the Bible you should never ad words to the writing, it changes the teachings.

 

[kristina411]

Let's see:

Ernest Haecke's fake and fraudulent drawings of embryos. In textbooks and taught as truth even today.
Piltdown man,
Nebraska man,
Java man,
Archaeoraptor
The Horse fraud of Huxley and Marsh,
The Peppered moth,
The famous diagram of apes successively turning into man. There are no skeletal remains to back it up
Ota Benga,
Neanderthal man of Neander Valley 1856
The Taung Child found by Raymond Dart in South Africa in 1924
Ramapithecus,
Australopithecines,
The Ardi specimen,
the Fujimura fraud,

Quite a list.

Indeed

 

[Shemjaza]

Indeed

Check the validity of the list. Most of them are quite real.

 

[Queller]

Sorry, but this is for the "clean" animals. These would be the ones that have a spit hoof, and chew their cud.

Nice try though.

Are you having trouble reading the verse I quoted? It clearly uses "male and his female" in reference to both clean and unclean animals. I don't understand how you missed it.

"and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female."

Please read the forum. I have given this information twice now. Go fish.

False. You gave information that the earth had a (somewhat) higher O2 count hundreds of millions of years ago. The Flood, according to YECs like yourself, happened less than 5,000 years ago.

 

[Queller]

Just pointing out my 9 month old daughter is female yet is not close to "mature"

Male and female is just that, male or female, determined in the womb for humans. Dinosaurs idk but it has nothing to do with sexual maturity. Just wanted to clear that up for you. When reading the Bible you should never ad words to the writing, it changes the teachings.

You should also never remove words from the Bible, as you have done here by removing the word "his" from the verse. As I already pointed out in the post you quoted, Genesis 7:2 clearly says "male and his female". That is obviously a mated pair. Other translations of the Bible make this even more clear as they specifically state "male and his mate".

If it wasn't intended to refer to a mated pair, then it would have said simply "a male and a female".

 

[kristina411]

You should also never remove words from the Bible, as you have done here by removing the word "his" from the verse. As I already pointed out in the post you quoted, Genesis 7:2 clearly says "male and his female". That is obviously a mated pair. Other translations of the Bible make this even more clear as they specifically state "male and his mate".

If it wasn't intended to refer to a mated pair, then it would have said simply "a male and a female".

I dont know who you are talking about but I didn't quote anything-you did

 

[Queller]

I dont know who you are talking about but I didn't quote anything-you did

You stated this:

Male and female is just that, male or female,

If that is not an attempt to quote the verse then what is it? And you left out a very important modifier "his".

Have you nothing to say about the fact that the Bible clearly states that the animals are a mated pair?

 

[kristina411]

You stated this:

If that is not an attempt to quote the verse then what is it? And you left out a very important modifier "his".

Have you nothing to say about the fact that the Bible clearly states that the animals are a mated pair?

Are you aware of the meaning of the word quote? There was no quote. Saying "male and female are just that male and female"(by the way, that's a quote. Not the original time it was used) is me stating that male and female mean male and female. Not that it means "mature male"(another quote) or "mature female"(here one is again)

Again, check your accusations before you point fingers. I did nit misrepresent scripture, you did.

 

[Davian]

Let's see:

Ernest Haecke's fake and fraudulent drawings of embryos. In textbooks and taught as truth even today.
Piltdown man,
Nebraska man,
Java man,
Archaeoraptor
The Horse fraud of Huxley and Marsh,
The Peppered moth,
The famous diagram of apes successively turning into man. There are no skeletal remains to back it up
Ota Benga,
Neanderthal man of Neander Valley 1856
The Taung Child found by Raymond Dart in South Africa in 1924
Ramapithecus,
Australopithecines,
The Ardi specimen,
the Fujimura fraud,

Quite a list.

Is that it? Some known frauds and scams that were discovered and exposed by science are not going to falsify mainstream science as a whole, as you seem to require for your beliefs to be true.

It would seem that you think a scandal at an observatory would falsify modern astrophysics, cosmology, and the standard model of physics, all of which seem to conflict with what you have told me of your beliefs.

 

[lasthero]

Just pointing out a few on the list.

Ernest Haecke's fake and fraudulent drawings of embryos. In textbooks and taught as truth even today.

No, it isn't. Name one textbook that talks about it and presents the drawings as 'truth'. You won't be able to, because this is just a common creationist liie.

Archaeoraptor

No one ever took the archaeoraptor find seriously. National Geographic - which is not a scientific journal - basically bungled the find. You won't find a single scientific paper on the thing.

The Peppered moth,

Not a fraud. I don't even know why you put this on the list.

Neanderthal man of Neander Valley 1856

Not a fraud. Also, not a single find - numerous Neaderthal specimens have been found. Their DNA has even been sequenced. Not human.

Nebraska man,

Nebraska Man wasn't a fraud, it was a mistake, and the scientific community at the time never gave it much credence. The person involved even admitted the mistake.

The famous diagram of apes successively turning into man. There are no skeletal remains to back it up

What diagram?

This is just what I felt like addressing at five in the morning. I think it's a good start to show how seriously your list should be taken - not at all.